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We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I don't think we are ready for the risk of mass manipulation through AI relationships. Imagine if Elon decides tomorrow morning that he wants to encourage all of the users of his AI relationship app to support Trump?

What do you mean imagine? He's already using his AI to spread his political beliefs.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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There’s also doomscrolling. I genuinely think a large portion of Gen Z would rather stay in bed watching Instagram reels than go out to a bar or club. I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

I think it is worth calling out how expensive it can be to go out and do things now though. $10-12 beers and $15 cocktails gets expensive over a few weekends.

Sure, but kids don't drink as much these days anyways anymore. At least in Germany, and we have drinking at 16 year old. I'm not at the age, but I wouldn't know an alternative to hang out at weekends. I mean, I do, but I can't think of a popular alternative. In my teen years people already haven't had any hobbies. With social media this surely has gotten worse.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s also doomscrolling. I genuinely think a large portion of Gen Z would rather stay in bed watching Instagram reels than go out to a bar or club. I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

> I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive The obsession with their birth rates is one of the creepy reasons why young people don't want to go out.

> The obsession with their birth rates is one of the creepy reasons why young people don't want to go out.

I'm a bit confused here, as someone who doesn't go out and never did. Do young people get accosted about generational birth rates if they go out?

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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I've been of the opinion that the web itself has already done this to a large degree. Web surfing (when is the last time you heard that phrase?) has never been a group activity.

There’s also doomscrolling. I genuinely think a large portion of Gen Z would rather stay in bed watching Instagram reels than go out to a bar or club. I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

I mean, even in my younger years going to a bar or club was not an everyday activity. People watched TV most of the evenings. Or read junk books, which was popular before TV came along.

> I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

People can and do use anticonception. They do not have kids just randomly out of bored stranger encounter anymore.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The idea that AI is going to "solve" loneliness is so insane. Even the framing of the idea is insane, in my opinion. Loneliness is not really about having someone to exchange words with, fundamentally. It is about being validated by other human beings or entities. At a most fundamental level the AI doesn't have a choice except to appear to validate you and this lack of freedom, the fact that you do not win over the A…

Agreed. Maybe people misunderstand loneliness with boredom.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s also doomscrolling. I genuinely think a large portion of Gen Z would rather stay in bed watching Instagram reels than go out to a bar or club. I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive but I’m not sure on what magnitude.

> I’ve been wondering recently what impact banning social media would have on birth rates. I’m confident it would be positive The obsession with their birth rates is one of the creepy reasons why young people don't want to go out.

I assure you, as a young person, nobody has ever commented on my birth rate when I went out.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

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The idea that AI is going to "solve" loneliness is so insane. Even the framing of the idea is insane, in my opinion. Loneliness is not really about having someone to exchange words with, fundamentally. It is about being validated by other human beings or entities. At a most fundamental level the AI doesn't have a choice except to appear to validate you and this lack of freedom, the fact that you do not win over the A…

Super interesting point that struck a chord with me. Without the risk of rejection, the ai will come off as a sycophantic ass kissing yes-man. It might be seductive at first but will get old fast for most people, I would imagine.

What would be really interesting is how much longer the relationship would last if it were formed on a social media site or forum where there is still some risk of rejection, and validation from others still has the feel of being earned.

Re: We may not like what we become if A.I. solves loneliness

#29

Loneliness is a benefit, not a curse. I need some degree of loneliness to keep sane. But it would be very interesting if a beautiful AI companion can teach me Math and Physics. I wonder when they will be able to do that, and with what kind of cost?

Loneliness is not mere solitude.

Loneliness is not being happy with being alone, solitude is the state of being alone. I couldn't find a word for specifically being happy about it.

So, loneliness is intrinsically negative, otherwise one wouldn't feel that way.

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