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OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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I have also never seen a Threads link. For all the hatred of X, people do actually use it.

75% of Twitter users are bots now, some I'm sure are real people.

But people link almost exclusively to X everywhere, for anything from memes to timely news.

There may be a lot of bots in the comments but the platform is genuinely used by a lot of people, that’s just easily observable.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

Or Investors have just bought OpenAI for $8.3bn.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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OpenAI valued at 300B will never be able to produce the same products "wrappers" that these 5 people startups are making. Same reason Facebook could not make Instagram, of Jira could never make bootcamp for example.

Counterexample- Facebook made Threads which has similar # users as Twitter now.

Meta really, really likes to game their numbers. Take claims of that with a hefty grain of salt.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

> Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see how that will equate to that kind of valuation

The superintelligence breakthrough..? I don't think you realize what that word means. Every single white collar job could be automated immediately with a worker better than any human. Yes, superintelligence sounds fantastical because it is. Try to have some imagination. It's worth far more than 300 billion. Whether they'll get there or not is the valuation question.

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Super intelligence doesn't make it real it just knows how. You can't type "bring me a moon rock" to it.

You obviously don't work with the people I work with. They're a lot more convinced that OP's version of reality is coming than yours. Convinced.

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Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Super intelligence doesn't make it real it just knows how. You can't type "bring me a moon rock" to it.

You obviously don't work with the people I work with. They're a lot more convinced that OP's version of reality is coming than yours. Convinced.

Anyone can make up an I, Robot movie in their heads. It doesn't make them right. You will never be able to type "bring me a moon rock" and have it happen, AGI or not, in the next hundred years.

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> make on average This completely misses the boat on venture capital, which is almost by definition the riskiest of all risky bets. Any smart LP throwing $X into a fund has a portfolio valued, at the very least, at 100 if not 1000 times X. It is simply the way to expose the high-risk portion of the portfolio to that level of risk at the size of the investment needed. Being high-risk, probably it will return nothing.…

It is the average that matters in the end. How much new money flows into VC per year? Some number of $1e9 - hundreds perhaps? What happens to it? If its all a folly and the money is burnt, it cannot last. But otherwise, these VCs investing at what looks like crazy valuations can't all be idiots.

EV is not a reasonable metric here. When the ventures are 99+% likely to fail, and individual funds don't invest into more than a few handfuls of companies, you don't have enough variance to promise that fund returns will approach some kind of average. As long as at least one VC fund produces the kind of returns necessary to attract that level of investment at that level of risk, then what matters is not some kind of an average but the managing partners' reputations and networks.

> it cannot last

It cannot last because VC managing partners are human and are subject to human frailties, greed and pride among them. If most actively traded funds cannot succeed at producing sustained above-market returns over time (i.e. making active stock market picks, compared to index funds), then what else other than hubris could suggest an ability to pick unproven startups, sustainably, over time?

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Yes, and they have a monopoly on the ad market. Whereas a SOTA LLM can be used to bootstrap an almost-as-good LLM. The gap is shrinking between SOTA models and there's now fierce competition. Moreover, ads are a very high ROI business. The profit margins on SOTA LLM offerings are razor thin or negative.

> they have a monopoly on the ad market Only if you look narrowly at search ads, but really they compete with Meta, Tiktok and X for ad spend. And the quality of the LLMs is beside the point, just like search engine quality. ChatGPT has a near monopoly on 'AI' mindshare, with the general public.

It’s worth noting that Google became dominant in the first place specifically because PageRank was deeply superior to the methodologies of other search engines.

Just because search engine quality is now quite low across the board (except perhaps Kagi) doesn’t mean that search engine quality was not once the determining factor to success.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Firstly, the $200/m plan is at a loss, they'll make a profit on PAYG tokens, not plans. Secondly, this is looking very risky: they are at the bottom of the value chain and eventually they'll be running on razor thin margins like all actors who are at the bottom of the value chain. Anything they can offer is doable by their competitors (in Google's case, they can even do it cheaper due to ow ing the vertical which Ope…

I think you are correct, but my hot take is that they will capture most of the G7 through scummy regulatory capture and bundling with Microsoft. They will use this to mostly dominate the markets and run at small profitable margins. They will then pad out revenue by bundling in advertisement and agenda based pay to play messaging. They will also do a bunch of military and government contracts, take positions in profit…

This guy gets it. +1
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