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At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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- moved between countries or first/second gen immigrant? check - home schooled? check This on top of her extraordinary talent and hard work. Institutional education truly is a great leveler, at both the top and bottom.

> moved between countries or first/second gen immigrant?

“Cairo grew up in Nassau, the Bahamas, where her parents had moved so that her dad could take a job as a software developer”

“Travel restrictions stranded her family at her grandparents’ house in Chicago. While they were there, she joined the Math Circles of Chicago”

This doesn’t read like an immigrant. It kind of reads like her dad is a fully American finance dev.

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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“There was this inescapable sameness, in a way. No matter what I did, I was in the same place doing mostly the same things,” she said. “I was very isolated, and nothing I could do could really change that. I’d wake up on certain days and realize, I’m just older.” I finally have something in common with a math prodigy.

Maybe hot take…

I can see the point of sameness in homeschooling, but compared to traditional education? I’m not sure how much flexibility one would have to teach oneself calculus by 11 or the equivalent of an undergrad in math by 14!

That flexibility must be found in something non-traditional!

I’m no prodigy at all whatsoever but school was mostly dull and filled with teenager drama! Nobody knew what Linux was, cared about music production or anything interesting! The talk was which boy/girl whatever

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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”Cairo applied to 10 graduate programs. Six rejected her because she didn’t have a college degree. Two admitted her, but then higher-ups in those universities’ administrations overrode those decisions." This is both unsurprising and shocking to me at the same time. For institutions of allegedly pure higher learning in a field where it's known that youth is where the advancement happens, the fact 80% axle wrap over a…

Cairo may have a way out: Commonly the main criteria for a Ph.D. is: (1) Pass qualifying exams in several important topics in the field. (2) Do some research that is an "original contribution to knowledge worthy of publication" where the main criteria for publication is "new, correct, and significant".

No professor or university Dean can keep her from doing well on both (1) and (2). It looks like (1) would be easy enough for her. The work she has already done may satisfy (2). Once she has done well on (1) and (2), tough not to award her a Ph.D.

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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What is the general basis for skipping college and getting admission directly in a Ph.D. program? What does one have to generally do to qualify?

The basis would be getting a dean's approval (or lack of a denial). That is the level at which "Exception Handling" is normally done at a university (above professor, below vice president), and it would normally be the dean of the department that housed the graduate program (some grad programs span multiple departments, which makes it more complicated).

Likely, there are also rule systems that would need to be circumvented; for example, while the admissions program for a graduate program would accept the student, the registrar or other entity might then negate that acceptance due to standing policy. At that point, I wouldn't be surprised if it reached the vice president level of the university (VP of the School that housed the department).

Every university handles this slightly differently. Exceptions can often be made.

To qualify you would normally have to do something truly exceptional or show a pattern of continuously excellent (grad student level). From what I can tell (I am not a math expert) she is considered a 'prodigy' and the problem she solved would require considerable skill, in a way that predicts continued successful performance at the university professor. The history of prodigies who skipped various steps of the normal schooling path is mixed- personally, I think people undervalue the importance of spending time with people in your age group during the 15-25 range, but honestly, without knowing more detail, it's hard to say.

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I hope she doesn't burn out and move into the woods like Grothendieck, Kaczynski,

Kaczynski was really not on the same level. By several orders of magnitude.

It's generally well documented that Kacynski was a highly talented mathematician.

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Please don't do this here.

Do what exactly? The parent asked why there’s so many photos of her staring into the distance.

Whats your theory on why there’s so many photos?

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't do this here.

Do what exactly? The parent asked why there’s so many photos of her staring into the distance. Whats your theory on why there’s so many photos?

Please don't post unsubstantive comments, and especially not shallow genderwar comments.

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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post #83

Her notes are so clear and so artfully wrought! I wonder if learning from online resources makes one naturally focus more on presentation. From the article: https://www.quantamagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/Ha...

Looks like a prepared presentation rather than notes.

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do what exactly? The parent asked why there’s so many photos of her staring into the distance. Whats your theory on why there’s so many photos?

Please don't post unsubstantive comments, and especially not shallow genderwar comments.

I was just answering the question posed above. I don’t think I’ve broken any rules. It just seems like you’re uncomfortable with my opinion.

The quote in your profile is very ironic right now: “…It follows that the aim of healthy living is not the direct elimination of conflict, which is possible only by forcible suppression of one or other of its antagonistic components, but the toleration of it…”

Re: At 17, Hannah Cairo solved a major math mystery

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”Cairo applied to 10 graduate programs. Six rejected her because she didn’t have a college degree. Two admitted her, but then higher-ups in those universities’ administrations overrode those decisions." This is both unsurprising and shocking to me at the same time. For institutions of allegedly pure higher learning in a field where it's known that youth is where the advancement happens, the fact 80% axle wrap over a…

Cairo may have a way out: Commonly the main criteria for a Ph.D. is: (1) Pass qualifying exams in several important topics in the field. (2) Do some research that is an "original contribution to knowledge worthy of publication" where the main criteria for publication is "new, correct, and significant". No professor or university Dean can keep her from doing well on both (1) and (2). It looks like (1) would be easy en…

PhDs in the USA also have curricular requirements, with at least some required courses. These courses are only available after a bunch of paperwork is given to the university. So, it's not so easy.
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