Tesla must pay portion of $329M damages after fatal Autopilot crash, jury says

Post by thfuran » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:12 PM UTC

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Would be nice to see executions of corporations as punishment.

> Would be nice to see executions of corporations as punishment Fines. Massive fines. "Corporate death penalty" is a genius invention of corporate lawyers to distract from the punitive effect of massive fines. Fines and license revocable are precedented. They take real money from the corporation and its owners. Corporate death penalties are a legal morass that doesn’t actually punish shareholders, it just cancels a l…

Post by thfuran » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:16 PM UTC

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Would be nice to see executions of corporations as punishment.

Perhaps better to achieve symmetry by ceasing to execute humans. You're never going to make executing the wrong corporation as thoroughly wicked as the numerous occasions on which we've executed the wrong human, so you can't make the scores even but you can stop putting more on the total for human misery. Historically it was impractical to permanently warehouse large number of humans, death was more practical = but t…

Post by thfuran » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:18 PM UTC

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I agree that Tesla should receive punitive damages. And the size of the punitive damages must be enough to discourage bad behavior. I'm not necessarily sure the victim(s) should get all of the punitive damages. $329 million is a gargantuan sum of money; it "feels" wrong to give a corporation-sized punishment to a small group of individuals. I could certainly see some proportion going toward funding regulatory agencie…

>> it "feels" wrong to give a corporation-sized punishment to a small group of individuals This feeling has a name; loss aversion. It's a really interesting human traits. About 66% of people feel bad when someone else does well. The impact of this feeling on behavior (even behavior that is self-harming) is instructive. The concept of "Fairness" comes into play as well. Many people have an expectation that the "world…

Post by breadwinner » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:22 PM UTC

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The argument is that if the driver was in a different vehicle he would have done just that, pulled over and picked it up, but because he believed the Tesla was capable of driving safely on it's own he didn't do so. Normally I turn the steering wheel when I want to turn my car. If you sold me a car and told me it had technology to make turns automatically without my input then I might let go of the wheel instead of tu…

Except driver already accepted liability. Also this doesn't stand water today as all new cars have some basic autosteer.

Post by root_axis » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 9:27 PM UTC

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$300M means very little to Tesla. The stock didn't even drop a bit (other than the usual market fluctuations today). Perhaps $4.20B or $6.90B would've been meaningful. Elon notices these numbers.

Not doing what it asks - “keep your hands on the wheel” and “eyes on the road” - and crashing the car is somehow Elon Musks’ fault LOL hn logic. Can’t wait to sue lane assist when I drive drunk and crash!