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Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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I've never lived in NYC - are median studio apts in West Village really $6k? Website looks awesome but I'm hoping that the data isn't true

NYC is deceptive. It's dense, so you don't realize you're crossing a city's worth of people in a 10 minute walk. Median studios in Beverly hills being $6k wouldn't surprise anyone. The Tribeca-Greenwich-West village-Chelsea stretch effectively the same.

Walk a few minutes north from there, and you'll reach hell's kitchen. Much much cheaper.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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Some of it has to do with the FARE bill making broker fees illegal. That should account for a 5% of the increase. NYC has negligible vacancy rates and airbnbs are already illegal. Sounds like a supply problem. The supply problem gets clearer when you realize how quickly the jersey side has grown. It's because NYC has no supply. I have no proof for this, but lots of influencer types, nepo babies and people with remote…

Just to piggyback some info onto the FARE Act that the NYC City Council passed because I think it's interesting when talking about the second-order effects of some regulations. For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. The odd thing about it has been that it's not the tenant who would h…

Thanks for adding context. On the balance, I think it's a good bill.

Like tariffs, all taxes are eventually paid by the customer. But landlords are more capable of applying price pressure on brokers than random renters. It incentivizes landlords to hand out longer leases, which gives renters more security and fewer avenues for eviction. Won't be surprised if a software company (like streeteasy) takes over the ops side of the brokering business and drives the per-sale price waay down. Seems like an obvious startup idea.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of it has to do with the FARE bill making broker fees illegal. That should account for a 5% of the increase. NYC has negligible vacancy rates and airbnbs are already illegal. Sounds like a supply problem. The supply problem gets clearer when you realize how quickly the jersey side has grown. It's because NYC has no supply. I have no proof for this, but lots of influencer types, nepo babies and people with remote…

Just to piggyback some info onto the FARE Act that the NYC City Council passed because I think it's interesting when talking about the second-order effects of some regulations. For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. The odd thing about it has been that it's not the tenant who would h…

> For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker.

It might be unusual in US, but it is a standard thing in Russia: a tenant pays the fee and landlord pays nothing. I always thought it was the same everywhere. However, when selling the property then the seller pays the fee.

As for high prices, isn't it caused by the fact that everybody wants to live there but there is not enough properties for everyone? If the rent in place A is 3 times higher than in place B it means that people want to live in A and whoever lives in B is there only because they cannot afford living in A.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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Not sure why you are dating it there. For one thing, housing prices in NY fell from 2007-2012 so it hasn't been monotonic since the 90s to today. Secondly, housing costs in NY tripled from 1980-1988, which is the same ratio as 2000-2025, but in a third the time.

>Secondly, housing costs in NY tripled from 1980-1988 Doesn't this correlate with the steep drop in crime around that same time period?

No, crime rose dramatically to a peak in 1990. Housing costs in NYC were stable throughout the 1990s while crime fell by 90%. Pretty much the opposite of what you just suggested.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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post #31

I've never lived in NYC - are median studio apts in West Village really $6k? Website looks awesome but I'm hoping that the data isn't true

NYC is deceptive. It's dense, so you don't realize you're crossing a city's worth of people in a 10 minute walk. Median studios in Beverly hills being $6k wouldn't surprise anyone. The Tribeca-Greenwich-West village-Chelsea stretch effectively the same. Walk a few minutes north from there, and you'll reach hell's kitchen. Much much cheaper.

Is it these days? It's gentrified a lot. Not staying there on my next trip, in part because I sort of fell out of love with the place I was accustomed to staying. But I've stayed around 10th and 42nd a lot.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to piggyback some info onto the FARE Act that the NYC City Council passed because I think it's interesting when talking about the second-order effects of some regulations. For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. The odd thing about it has been that it's not the tenant who would h…

Thanks for adding context. On the balance, I think it's a good bill. Like tariffs, all taxes are eventually paid by the customer. But landlords are more capable of applying price pressure on brokers than random renters. It incentivizes landlords to hand out longer leases, which gives renters more security and fewer avenues for eviction. Won't be surprised if a software company (like streeteasy) takes over the ops sid…

Appreciate the optimism and I think what you're saying could happen, and I hope it does, but the flip side is the landlords don't exert that pressure, they bake the fees into the rental rate, and so the new reality is a stepped-up market rate caused by the legislation. If the landlords can just pass the fee on as a rent increase there's not really an incentive for them to offer longer leases so it will all come down to whether the rental rate increase (if there is one long term) sticks. Then I feel like the only thing the FARE Act will have done is raise the baseline rent and therefore the overall cost of housing for tenants (some argue that it's also better to amortize the "fee" over the lease term instead of having to pay it up front, but if the net result is more cost to tenants that seems like a bum deal).

Re the startup idea, agree fully. Zumper sort of tried what you're describing on the lease side in NYC. I interacted with them around the time they launched that effort and thought it was a bit rough around the edges (when is it not when you try something new?). Not sure if they're still doing it or how the FARE Act would've impacted them because I don't quite remember how/if they were using the software/marketplace to drive down the broker fee or just trying to capture the fee as-is (I think the former but not sure).

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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I've never lived in NYC - are median studio apts in West Village really $6k? Website looks awesome but I'm hoping that the data isn't true

> I've never lived in NYC - are median studio apts in West Village really $6k? Website looks awesome but I'm hoping that the data isn't true The West Village is one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the country. In around 2010, it was the most expensive zip code in the country. That's due to a combination of: old buildings, very little new construction, extremely gentrified neighborhood, and NYU eating up all of…

As a relatively poor student, I actually lived in the West Village for a summer internship in the mid-80s in an NYU law school dorm. Pretty cool place to be.

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to piggyback some info onto the FARE Act that the NYC City Council passed because I think it's interesting when talking about the second-order effects of some regulations. For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. The odd thing about it has been that it's not the tenant who would h…

Thanks for adding context. On the balance, I think it's a good bill. Like tariffs, all taxes are eventually paid by the customer. But landlords are more capable of applying price pressure on brokers than random renters. It incentivizes landlords to hand out longer leases, which gives renters more security and fewer avenues for eviction. Won't be surprised if a software company (like streeteasy) takes over the ops sid…

At least in Manhattan, no one will give you a contract for more than a year - they will want to renegotiate in a year and demand is high enough to not worry about having no tenants. In Europe multi-year contracts are somewhat typical, but never heard of that in NYC. Similarly, very few will do a contract for less than a year. So the one-time broker fee gets amortized over 12 months, but the net effect is a wealth transfer from long-term tenants to landlords (because they continue paying that increase in perpetuity).

Re: Show HN: An interactive dashboard to explore NYC rentals data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to piggyback some info onto the FARE Act that the NYC City Council passed because I think it's interesting when talking about the second-order effects of some regulations. For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. The odd thing about it has been that it's not the tenant who would h…

> For those of you who aren't familiar with this Act, NYC has been an outlier in the US where the tenant would pay a broker fee to rent apartments that were listed by a broker. It might be unusual in US, but it is a standard thing in Russia: a tenant pays the fee and landlord pays nothing. I always thought it was the same everywhere. However, when selling the property then the seller pays the fee. As for high prices,…

Interesting. Is it the case the landlord hires the broker in that situation? Like the landlord hires the broker, the broker lists it and then the tenant pays the broker? One thing that's still true in NYC is if the tenant hires the broker the tenant still pays the broker, but that's a tiny occurrence relative to the broader practice.

Totally true on high prices. I was only trying to point out that the goal of that FARE Act, or at least a major goal of it, was to keep tenants from having to pay junk broker fees, with the assumption that would lower the overall cost of housing. It might actually be doing the exact opposite, though still too early to tell (only went into effect in June).

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