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OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

> OpenAI’s business continues to surge. DealBook hears that the company’s annual recurring revenue has soared to $13 billion, up from $10 billion in June — and is projected to surpass $20 billion by the end of the year. This is why. Of course $300B still implies a lot of growth, but when you're growing 100% in 6 months at $10B in ARR, you can demand a lot.

And what's the profit on the 13B?

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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From online discourse and talking to people in different sectors that are impacted by "AI", I feel like there is great uncertainty, incredible hype and doomerism at the same time.

My intuition is that we're in a huge tech bubble that will correct at some point. I don't know when that is or how severe it will be. But why should this tech hype cycle be qualitatively different from any of the others?

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

They're going to sell glasses with cameras that analyze your life to better assist your AI in product placement. Set gentle reminders that three of your friends have the new fall color line Stanley Cups, and remind you to get one before your nemesis does.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Think about how much money openai could make _just_ by getting referrals for agentic work flows (ie: help me plan my vacation). The thing that people are missing is that openai is a platform like google's, and there are a million different businesses they can expand into.

Sure, but I think the question is who will win the domain specific use cases (delivery, not API). Delivery of the agentic workflows is up for anyone to win (players like Perplexity, Lovable, etc) and OpenAI/Gemini/Anthropic is in a way only a vendor to that by providing what will become a commoditized function calling API/MCP provider.

Open AI has 10 times the active users of any of it's competitors, including google.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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So OpenAI is running at a $13B ARR, meaning this is a ~23X valuation. I don't have a good read on margin. But this would imply massive growth assumptions which I struggle a bit to understand where they come from. (1) New customers new to AI or migrations from Claude/Perplexity/Google: The overwhelming majority of people already know about the offerings, leaving most new people to come from residual people who identif…

We are still at the very start of seeing AI integrated into products and industry use cases. Even if AI capabilities stop improving and Altman's dreams of replacing workers don't pan out there is enormous economic potential here. How much of that OpenAI can capture is an interesting question. But right now APIs for open-source models are commoditized while similarly capable proprietary models can charge ~3x the price…

The problem is open ai's deal with the devil (microsoft) where they own a copyright to all the models that open ai produces until AGI. So what is the moat driving that $300B valuation?

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

They're currently "worth" 3.2 Stripes, which seems pretty absurd to me. (I'm now using 1 Stripe as a metric to measure the valuation of AI companies).

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Given their current product offerings, I really don't see a way they could ever justify a $300B valuation unless they get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan. I'm calling it now: investors are gonna get burned hard on this one. Cause right now all they have is "well we are working on superintelligence" and to that I say "great, then what?". Even if they do make that breakthrough I don't see h…

> get everyone on the planet to subscribe to their $200/month plan

Not necessarily. Google is valued 7x that and most people don't pay them anything. They just make ridiculous money from ads for insurance and loans. Meanwhile, ChatGPT is the #1 app and the #5 website, which should really worry google (and it does by all accounts).

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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So OpenAI is running at a $13B ARR, meaning this is a ~23X valuation. I don't have a good read on margin. But this would imply massive growth assumptions which I struggle a bit to understand where they come from. (1) New customers new to AI or migrations from Claude/Perplexity/Google: The overwhelming majority of people already know about the offerings, leaving most new people to come from residual people who identif…

Tech people and their friends are like 1% of the population.

Go out on the the street of Anytown in any western country, and people know "ChatGPT".

A friend of mine is a teacher, and told me that at a recent school board meeting there was discussion about implementing AI into the learning curriculum. And to the board, "AI" and "ChatGPT" were used interchangeably. There was no discussion of other providers or models, because "AI" is "ChatGPT".

That's why OpenAI has these huge projections. When average people are asked to reach for AI, they reach for ChatGPT.

Re: OpenAI raises $8.3B at $300B valuation

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Sweet VC money fueling the AI hype. Funny enough, my TikTok feed recently started showing videos about how corporate America is going to replace workers with AI. I even came across an interview with Marc Benioff where he said Salesforce will deploy AI to help with engineering.
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