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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by synthc »

bigtex88 wrote: post #839
9dev wrote: post #664

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Yes. The minimum rules we all must agree on have to be the basic human rights. And that means we can’t take all the civilians in Gaza hostage for Hamas. These are humans with hopes and dreams and friends and family, like you and like Israelis. That Israel in particular would so easily forget about this is horrible.

Gazans are not being put onto railroad cars and shipped off to camps to be systematically exterminated in gas chambers.

They made their home a concentration camp, no need for railroad cars this time...

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Post by dlubarov »

slt2021 wrote: post #887
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There have been Jews in Jerusalem, even a majority of Jews, in Ottoman times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal... The Jews of Morocco (or Baghdad, or Tehran) can't go back. For that matter, surviving Polish Jews were chased out of Poland after WWII. Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi and most Israeli Jews don't have a 2nd passport. And, of course, people have a right to self determination. Jews…

I love that you brought up right to self-determination. However it comes with the bundle with all human rights and international laws, including Prohibion on forced displacement (like Nakhba), full recognition of Human Rights (apartheid state), territorial integrity (settlements), prohibion on genocide (ICC/ICJ is awaiting trial) The international law has been settled on this: Two state solution, 1967 borders, full r…

> prohibion on genocide (ICC/ICJ is awaiting trial)

ICC is not pursuing any genocide charges. Khan initially sought a charge of extermination, but it was rejected by the pre-trial chamber.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by tomhow »

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Post by tomhow »

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I just think they should be treated the way they treat others. nothing more, nothing less

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Post by Dig1t »

Liron wrote: post #346
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

Isn’t the greater context that most of these people (Palestinians) had their ancestral homes stolen by “settlers”? I would vote for a pretty extreme government if someone came and stole my house.

Also, the situation on the ground seems pretty clear cut. You can literally watch videos of brutal war crimes committed by Israel on Reddit. Everyone has direct proof.

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nandomrumber wrote: post #657
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That is horrific and much worse than I thought it was.

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by cess11 »

tguvot wrote: post #842
cultofmetatron wrote: post #840

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> and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them. please go on > do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ? considering that they were kicked out by violence in 1948, likud terrorists mass killed entire villages of Palestinians in order to force the rest to flee. Israelis then forced them to live in an apartheid state I certainly do support their right of return. Isr…

I am taking about right of return for 12m displaced Germans. Do you support it and them marching to reclaim their land and homes?

They're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germ...

I.e. the allies forcing germans in the east to go west and leave the nazi colonial project behind. It was arguably atrocious. It is also irrelevant since the territories involved reside within the EU and there is nothing in the way for these people or their descendants relocating back to Poland or whatever.

Which I suspect will be quite popular in the future, given that Poland's economy is doing rather well and Germany's is likely to not do rather well.

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Post by tguvot »

cess11 wrote: post #907
tguvot wrote: post #842

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I am taking about right of return for 12m displaced Germans. Do you support it and them marching to reclaim their land and homes?

They're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germ... I.e. the allies forcing germans in the east to go west and leave the nazi colonial project behind. It was arguably atrocious. It is also irrelevant since the territories involved reside within the EU and there is nothing in the way for these people or their descendants relocating back to Poland or whatever. Which I suspect will…

not colonial project, but 12m ethnic germans that lived in german territories that were annexed or in other areas in europe (because they lived there for centuries).

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During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, Reichsdeutsche (German citizens) and Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans living outside the Nazi state) fled and were expelled from various Eastern and Central European countries, including Czechoslovakia, and from the former German provinces of Lower and Upper Silesia, East Prussia, and the eastern parts of Brandenburg (Neumark) and Pomerania (Farther Pomerania), which were annexed by Provisional Government of National Unity of Poland and by the Soviet Union.

will you support them marching back to reclaim their lands and homes, while been peacefully armed (like palestinians) with molotov cocktails, ak47 and grenades ? do you support their right of return ?

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Post by cess11 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #872
cess11 wrote: post #864

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Sure, let's "do" them. Show the numbers you have in mind. I don't understand why you are going after that strawman. Settler colonialism is a term that contrasts with exploitative or extractive colonialism, i.e. when a colonial endeavour is established primarily for the purpose of natural resources. That is not the case in Palestine. One could argue that it is true for the israeli diamond industry but I'd rather not,…

> Settler colonialism is a term that contrasts with exploitative or extractive colonialism, i.e. when a colonial endeavour is established primarily for the purpose of natural resources. That is not the case in Palestine …not every problem is colonialism and immigration. That’s the American political science bias.

Claiming that the british empire wasn't colonial because "American political science bias" is a weird fucking take, you know that?

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Post by cess11 »

tguvot wrote: post #873
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Why did you fail to read my comment? https://www.statista.com/chart/20001/number-of-israeli-settl... https://peacenow.org.il/en/settlements-watch/settlements-dat... This excludes a few hundreds of thousands in East Jerusalem. According to international law all of these people must be relocated to israeli territory. If I have understood it correctly the UN GA has given Israel a deadline for this in September.

Population expansion doesn't imply area expansion. People in Israel procreate. Could you articulate how much in acres settlements expanded in past 20 years. Year over year or something. Or in total

Get to your point.

There should be zero so called settlements. Nil. None. They must all be removed. This is the law.

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