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“No tax on tips” is an industry plant

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It’s crazy that this still happens in the US. Tipping is a thing of the past. Pay for your meal and have the restaurant pay their people for their work. End of story.

There’s very little empirical evidence correlating tipping with better service.

There is definitely a huge difference in countries where they tip and countries where they don't tip.

Re: “No tax on tips” is an industry plant

#92
post #74

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The crazier part is that it's spreading to more industries and more countries thanks to Americans thinking they should tip everyone everywhere. Thanks.

Yep. It's wonderful throwing a few extra bucks to some euro waiter and watching them treat you better than everyone else.

When they treat you better? In the last 2 minutes after you payed just before you leave?

Re: “No tax on tips” is an industry plant

#93
post #74

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The crazier part is that it's spreading to more industries and more countries thanks to Americans thinking they should tip everyone everywhere. Thanks.

Yep. It's wonderful throwing a few extra bucks to some euro waiter and watching them treat you better than everyone else.

I'm curious whether you have ever worked in the service industry?

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No, they're definitely more attentive for the tip, I just don't like it. If they're going to be extra nice, I don't want it to be for money. Felt nice going to other countries like Australia where the customer isn't always right but they still do their jobs.

Bud, literally nobody gives a shit about waiting on you. They are literally only doing it for the money. People in Australia are still doing it for the money, even if you don't realize it.

Restaurant staff are still nice in Australia, and friendly.

They don't HAVE to be, but they also don't have to do a bunch of unnecessary stuff to play the tips game, like fill up water that's barely empty or check in on how you're going all the time.

Maybe people in America like a "service heavy" experience, and the only way to get it is tips?

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#95
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Beware the logical fallacy. "A implies B" does not mean that "not A implies not B". Workers who earn too little to pay taxes (A) will not benefit from a tax cut (B). But workers who earn enough (not A) may still not benefit (not B), for example because their employer indirectly pockets the difference. That is actually being argued in the article. So this is indeed the appropriate way of formulating the statement: at…

I can't read this article because of the paywall. Are they saying that taxable tips are subject to payroll taxes (which employers pay out of pocket)? That would actually benefit both employers and employees in some sense. Some tipped workers, like bartenders, can make more in tips than a junior software engineer lol. Less taxes definitely helps their cause. If you are concerned with indirect effects, there's quite a…

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Re: “No tax on tips” is an industry plant

#97
post #73

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There’s very little empirical evidence correlating tipping with better service.

There is definitely a huge difference in countries where they tip and countries where they don't tip.

I've been to both, a lot, and I've not noticed any difference whatsoever. Good service is the norm everywhere, honestly, and the odd instance of bad service happens everywhere too.

Beyond that, I personally find that leveraging someone's economic desperation to coerce deference out of them is disgusting. Give me staff who have the option to walk out without material harm, and choose not to.

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#98
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> Pay for your meal Not sure you know what tipping is, but it's not paying for the meal. It's paying for the service. 1. I like being able to pay for better service 2. Despite what people like to think, everywhere in the world has appreciated tips. I've never had a waiter refuse extra money. Literally dozens of countries, you get better service if you tip.

The tip is usually given at the end of the service. How does that ensure a better experience during?

You're asking how a tip can influence a server, if they don't know it's coming. But in America they do know it's coming, at least, there is a cultural norm of tipping being expected. So it makes sense that a server would do what it takes, to make sure that it happens.

Re: “No tax on tips” is an industry plant

#99

It’s crazy that this still happens in the US. Tipping is a thing of the past. Pay for your meal and have the restaurant pay their people for their work. End of story.

> Pay for your meal Not sure you know what tipping is, but it's not paying for the meal. It's paying for the service. 1. I like being able to pay for better service 2. Despite what people like to think, everywhere in the world has appreciated tips. I've never had a waiter refuse extra money. Literally dozens of countries, you get better service if you tip.

Not sure you know, but in literally dozens of countries, waiters get a proper salary.

Re: “No tax on tips” is an industry plant

#100

It’s crazy that this still happens in the US. Tipping is a thing of the past. Pay for your meal and have the restaurant pay their people for their work. End of story.

> Pay for your meal Not sure you know what tipping is, but it's not paying for the meal. It's paying for the service. 1. I like being able to pay for better service 2. Despite what people like to think, everywhere in the world has appreciated tips. I've never had a waiter refuse extra money. Literally dozens of countries, you get better service if you tip.

Japanese waiters will literally refuse your money of your try to tip. It's literally insulting to them if you offer more than asked for
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