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AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types

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Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types

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Post by lotharbot »

robomartin wrote: post #207
zwdr wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, are syou serious? I didnt know anyone could be _that_ delusional about Apple. You _really_ think Apple cares about privacy? They aren't "that kind of company"? Where the hell do you get the idea that Apple cares about the morality of their decisions? Could it be that you are a fanboy? Wait, I know the answer to that already. ..."shit HN says", right here.

The accusation is that Apple INTENTIONALLY gave the FBI a database with twelve million records. That is what my comment refers to. It is preposterous to propose that Apple --or any company for that matter-- would willingly do that. The liability hole this would open up would be massive. They are a business and you can bet your ass that every decision with potential liability consequences is well considered by manager…

> " It is preposterous to propose that Apple --or any company for that matter-- would willingly do that."

Unless Apple-or-any-company was seeking assistance from the FBI to track down fraud or something similar.

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Post by wpietri »

jrockway wrote: post #113
GrumpySimon wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's elite (or 1337 if you will). It's supposed to sound cool. All the underground computer groups have talked like that since the early warez/cracking/phreaking scene.

Are you sure they're not just really bad at writing?

It struck me as well-written but highly in-jokey, and targeted at a very specific audience. If they were writing for the general reader, this would be terrible. But I took it as addressing other members of the hacker scene, hoping to prompt them into similar politically-focused action.

Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types

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Post by wpietri »

crisnoble wrote: post #212
konstruktor wrote: post #201

If the full file (including addresses) gets into the wild, and I fear that this may happen, it will be a really useful tool for burglars. Many iOS devices probably correlate with many valuables in a home. That's a lot of lawsuits against everybody involved...

Pretty sure that a smart burglar could figure out approximate addresses of people who own iPhones by looking at publicly available Instagram or Twitter or Facebook or Flickr locations. Not to mention people telling the world "I'm camping this weekend" which a burglar hears as "I'll be gone all weekend, steal my things!"

I think a smart burglar would just look at any commonly available database of home sales. Anybody who has moved in the last few years into a more-expensive-than-average house should correlate much better with valuables than iPhones.

However, I'd hope any criminal with brains like that would find something to do that has higher yield and lower risk than housebreaking. I'd suggest working for a private equity company.

Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types

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Post by wpietri »

robomartin wrote: post #207
zwdr wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, are syou serious? I didnt know anyone could be _that_ delusional about Apple. You _really_ think Apple cares about privacy? They aren't "that kind of company"? Where the hell do you get the idea that Apple cares about the morality of their decisions? Could it be that you are a fanboy? Wait, I know the answer to that already. ..."shit HN says", right here.

The accusation is that Apple INTENTIONALLY gave the FBI a database with twelve million records. That is what my comment refers to. It is preposterous to propose that Apple --or any company for that matter-- would willingly do that. The liability hole this would open up would be massive. They are a business and you can bet your ass that every decision with potential liability consequences is well considered by manager…

Precisely what liability do you think Apple should be afraid of? I'm having trouble imagining what they could be sued for here.

Note that the FBI is the supposed source of the leak here. So let's say Apple claims they gave up the data at the request of the FBI to supposedly help with a classified terrorist threat that the government won't have to reveal at trial. Who's going to sue Apple, and for what?

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Post by HannibalLecter »

bornhuetter wrote: post #165
pilif wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right. I misread the announcement. That still leaves the issue of the personal data, but as I said: app developers could acquire that directly from the user. Possibly, the fact that personal data is missing so often actually might point to a non-apple leak, because they would have the link to personal data. Of course it could be fake, but it would be prsesent.

When he said "a popular iOS developer" I assumed he meant Facebook.

Well if Facebook sells the data on the open market, who is really alarmed that FBI bought it?

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Post by 27182818284 »

mkhalil wrote: post #214
crag wrote: post #200

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You do know that there are other people in world with the name Obama, right? I know for a fact, the NSA protects all communications from the president (and most of the top level folk in his administration). If this turns out to really be the president (which I doubt) it would be a MAJOR breech.

For a fact? How so?

It was an issue widely covered in the press, or at least widely covered enough that I remember people joking about it in monologues. Obama wanted to keep his blackberry and other gadgets in opposition to what the Secret Service wanted. They finally compromised with security-enhanced versions of the devices such as his so-called "Blackberry One" a pun off of Air Force One.

Though I didn't hear anything about securing it when he got an iPad, I did see photos in the news of him carrying one. I would assume it would be equally vetted and locked down.

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