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The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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So much of the journalism we read is heavily processed and barely-reported and it's startling to see how much of a superpower simple shoe-leather reporting actually is. Derek Thompson's an incredibly sharp writer, but not really a subject matter expert on housing economics; all he did here was read papers and call up the authorities they cited, and the narrative behind those papers collapsed. We're often so down on j…

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Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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> The sharpest criticisms of the book Abundance have sometimes come from the antitrust movement. This group, mostly on the left, insists that the biggest problems in America typically come from monopolies and the corruption of big business. ctrl-F "RealPage" - nothing. hmm. ctrl-F "rent" - also nothing. really? from about a year ago: Justice Department Sues RealPage for Algorithmic Pricing Scheme that Harms Millions…

I wish everyone who cares about the price of housing could go to a hearing like this one. Sadly, they happen in every community so if you're curious, you ought to go:

https://bendyimby.com/2024/04/16/the-hearing-and-the-housing...

That is your housing shortage right there.

Now, Real page probably jacks up prices a bit. A bit multiplied by a lot of renters means real harm and it was probably worth taking them to court over.

However, at the end of the day, RealPage is simply not enough to get Los Angeles rents out of Houston property. Supply and demand are still where it's at.

Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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The bigger problem, at least in my neck of the woods, is they're not building affordable housing. By-and-large they are building luxury apartments and luxury homes. We've torn down half the city to build luxury apartments that sit at 20-30% occupancy. Building luxury housing won't help the housing crisis until the sellers are on the brink of bankruptcy and forced to sell their properties at a reasonable price.

Building "luxury" apartments dropped rents in Bozeman, Montana, which is one of those cities that "everyone wants to move to"

https://montanafreepress.org/2025/06/23/has-bozemans-rental-...

Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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Asking why they don't build affordable housing is like asking why don't they build used cars

This is a perfectly succinct way to put it. New housing is simply more expensive; so it's marketed as "luxury", and it's sold at a premium to the higher end of the housing market. This reduces demand for the older, more affordable existing housing stock, and with depreciation and wear and tear, the new housing will become more affordable as time goes on. If you're in a market with a shortage of housing, those with mo…

With cars you can build a high margin luxury and a low margin affordable model if there are two buyers and collect profit from both.

With an apartment if there's one plot available, you build the high margin apartment.

Land constraints matter.

A 100% land value tax would help solve this problem and would make buying apartments more like buying a car.

Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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Asking why they don't build affordable housing is like asking why don't they build used cars

The project to build https://www.libraryplaceithaca.com/ was almost a decade late, like a nuclear reactor, and they realized only after it was built that there is no market in our town for "luxury senior housing" because seniors with money go to Florida or Arizona. If they could fill the places you might say that it's better business to build expensive rather than cheap apartments but when these places are vacant you…

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Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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post #31
post #5

So much of the journalism we read is heavily processed and barely-reported and it's startling to see how much of a superpower simple shoe-leather reporting actually is. Derek Thompson's an incredibly sharp writer, but not really a subject matter expert on housing economics; all he did here was read papers and call up the authorities they cited, and the narrative behind those papers collapsed. We're often so down on j…

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You can be aligned with a group who benefits from the same position without being associated with that group or lobbying FOR that group i.e. the KKK members probably want cheaper electricity and I want cheaper electricity but that doesn't mean when I lobby for it, I'm lobbying for the KKK.

Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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So much of the journalism we read is heavily processed and barely-reported and it's startling to see how much of a superpower simple shoe-leather reporting actually is. Derek Thompson's an incredibly sharp writer, but not really a subject matter expert on housing economics; all he did here was read papers and call up the authorities they cited, and the narrative behind those papers collapsed. We're often so down on j…

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I'm curious how we can distinguish between someone lobbying hard for the homebuilding industry and someone lobbying hard for people who need homes?

Re: The anti-abundance critique on housing is wrong

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Asking why they don't build affordable housing is like asking why don't they build used cars

The project to build https://www.libraryplaceithaca.com/ was almost a decade late, like a nuclear reactor, and they realized only after it was built that there is no market in our town for "luxury senior housing" because seniors with money go to Florida or Arizona. If they could fill the places you might say that it's better business to build expensive rather than cheap apartments but when these places are vacant you…

How are they still able to live in subsidized affordable housing after they are convicted of murder or arson? Don't we have jails for this kind of criminals?
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