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Re: Orion Browser

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Post by SoftTalker »

eviks wrote: post #40
LeoPanthera wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Safari?

Lack of UI customization and bad extension support

And no ad block, you need additional apps for that. Ad blocking should be a basic feature in a browser in 2025. Apple talks a good game on "no tracking" but they don't block the ads, and I don't understand why not. The current ad-based revenue model of the web should be completely impossible, that would get rid of entire swathes of useless SEO sites and the harmful psychological games that Facebook and others play to keep you engaged so they can keep showing you more and more ads.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by baal80spam »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #25

I guess Safari is the only major browser left that is just a browser. Google is an ad company. Microsoft is an ad company. Mozilla is an ad company. Brave is a crypto company. And these next wave of browsers are all going to be infested with AI, I suppose. Apple sells phones.

> Brave is a crypto company

Then it's doing an awful job because it allows the user to disable everything related to crypto in 3 clicks, to never see it again.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by nunez »

So I hate Safari with a burning passion and Firefox on iOS isn't much better. Ideally I'd run FF everywhere, but lacking Apple Pay support and iOS anti-competitively locking out extensions to non-Safari browsers make this a non-starter.

I VERY BADLY want to make this my daily driver across all of my devices, but between weird rendering bugs (which are decreasing), janky 1Pass support (which is improving), lacking history sync and the inability to run multiple instances like I can with Firefox*, it has been difficult to make the switch.

I know that Vlad and team are working hard to quash the bugs, so I'll keep trying the betas every once in a while.

*: I know that Safari and Orion have profiles. I prefer to isolate my browsers at a process level, i.e. a separate browser process for work and personal stuff. FF can mostly achieve this with Containers, which I used with the Multi-use Containers extension to create containers based on URL, but things gets weird with intermediate URLs. Safari cannot do this. Orion theoretically can, but I don't think it does right now.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by nunez »

bryan0 wrote: post #23
roughly wrote: post #11

I really like Kagi, but I'm starting to get that same sense of anticipatory melancholy I used to get when I found a really good drug dealer back in the day - this product or service is fantastic, and I'm very happy to be able to give it money, but I recognize this is a short term affair and some day I'll be back to having to search for it again. I would continue to pay Kagi $10 a month forever for exactly the product…

One of the extremely stupid reasons kagi needs to develop a browser is because ios safari prevents setting kagi as the default search engine, so they have to do some terrible hacks to get it to kind of work.

That and Apple anti-competitively preventing non-Safari browsers from using Safari extensions, despite all iOS browsers being essentially Safari under the hood.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nunez wrote: post #54

So I hate Safari with a burning passion and Firefox on iOS isn't much better. Ideally I'd run FF everywhere, but lacking Apple Pay support and iOS anti-competitively locking out extensions to non-Safari browsers make this a non-starter. I VERY BADLY want to make this my daily driver across all of my devices, but between weird rendering bugs (which are decreasing), janky 1Pass support (which is improving), lacking his…

I use Orion as my daily driver on my Mac. The bugginess has largely passed.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

guywithahat wrote: post #21

It's interesting that they chose HN as the picture on their homepage; it makes you wonder how much of the company is supported by HN users. Is this site big enough to support a subscription based company that frequently advertises here?

It almost feels like a really clever landing page -- if you click the link from hacker news, it shows you a tailored experience that you'd be familiar with. But looking at the link, I see no parameters that would result in that kind of landing page customization. Also it seems contrary to Kagi's spirit to do that sort of thing.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by robk »

roughly wrote: post #11

I really like Kagi, but I'm starting to get that same sense of anticipatory melancholy I used to get when I found a really good drug dealer back in the day - this product or service is fantastic, and I'm very happy to be able to give it money, but I recognize this is a short term affair and some day I'll be back to having to search for it again. I would continue to pay Kagi $10 a month forever for exactly the product…

the drug dealer analogy hits so hard. Bravo.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by nickthegreek »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #25

I guess Safari is the only major browser left that is just a browser. Google is an ad company. Microsoft is an ad company. Mozilla is an ad company. Brave is a crypto company. And these next wave of browsers are all going to be infested with AI, I suppose. Apple sells phones.

Safari wont let you easily set kagi as default search. Seems like something a major browser should allow.

Re: Orion Browser

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

I love brave's native ad blocking, so the idea of _even MOAR_ ad blocking appeals to me. But what is the distinction between "1st party ads" vs 3rd party? I'm a noob in this arena, so I'd need an example.

other notes:

- Love the discussion of features instead of vibes

- Even though I don't understand the comparison table, I appreciate the attempt at quick summary.

- I'm not even a fan of Kagi, if anything I'm mildy opposed. But "a browser with less ads / more privacy" may legitimately win me over.

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