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Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Censorship is not trust

Calling restrictions for kids “censorship” is just silly.

Removing undesirable information is literally censorship. For irony's sake, I'll adjust my comment for your sensibility:

Every restriction is a demonstration of a lack of trust.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Right but the point is to be able to block the shorts on my teens phone while still allowing him to benefit from all the useful stuff on YT

He literally just told you the solution. Install uBlock Origin on your teens' phone and use the right filter list. Unless of course, they are smart enough.

Is it possible to install uBlock Origin on a mobile phone? I don't think it is. https://ublockorigin.com/

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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He literally just told you the solution. Install uBlock Origin on your teens' phone and use the right filter list. Unless of course, they are smart enough.

Is it possible to install uBlock Origin on a mobile phone? I don't think it is. https://ublockorigin.com/

uBlock Origin can be used on Android phones through the Firefox browser, for example.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Because most parents are oblivious to the danger, and are not taking action on their own. Meanwhile the unrestricted internet can be just as dangerous to a child's development as alcohol or drugs, if not more. The regulation should just specify a few standards that parental controls must meet, such as the standard that every new action in any app must first be approved by a parent, and it should regulate that minors…

Yeah or maybe most parents don't care because they think you're wrong? Many people with young kids now grew up with the internet as kids themselves. They remember their parents going through the exact same moral panic about the internet in the mid 90s, they remember using it anyway with no restrictions whatsoever ... and they remember they grew up just fine. When I was a kid I was logging in every night, talking to r…

We can likely agree on a lot. Overregulation is bad, I don't want the government or large corporate monopolies to have more control. I also grew up with the internet and am very familiar with it, much more so than the average person. That's exactly why I'm arguing for simple regulation which gives more control and visibility to parents, and parents alone.

For example: Teenagers playing Counter Strike is most often fine. Teenagers accessing Counter Strike skin gambling websites is not. I'd say that almost all parents would agree with that, yet it still constantly happens because parents have no visibility, no way of preventing it, and most likely do not even know that their son or daughter may be lured into gambling by playing the game.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Is it possible to install uBlock Origin on a mobile phone? I don't think it is. https://ublockorigin.com/

uBlock Origin can be used on Android phones through the Firefox browser, for example.

Very cool, didn't know firefox mobile supported extensions. Thanks!

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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If you didn’t realize that making teens verify their age online meant that everyone had to verify their age and identity online, that’s just a dangerous level of stupidity. The issue is everyone wants some quick and easy solution when the truth is we’re going to need to get much more intentional as a society about this. Take phone bans. Everyone wants to ban phones from schools/classrooms, but the truth is in a lot o…

There are zero knowledge proof systems that nobody would have a problem with because nobody ever knows who is accessing the content, only that they are allowed or not. Ironic to call people aware of this stupid.

Because ZKPs aren't the whole system.

If it allows regular checking (and they all basically have to), I can determine someone's exact birth date when they become an adult. If a system allows me specifying an age to check (as many do), then I can determine anyone's birth date.

Further the vast majority of people do not understand ZKPs. If some random website asks them to go verify their age by installing software or going to a website that requires them to upload an ID, a good percentage will simply balk. The fear of lack of privacy, regardless of actual privacy, creates a major chilling effect on speech.

The truly galling part is that all of this nonsense only exists because parents won't spend a couple minutes setting up parental control software. For goodness sake, it takes 30 seconds to turn on a filter that blocks all porn on the screen on an iPhone. I have little doubt that if governments required it - or simply paid for it, they could get apple/microsoft/google/etc to modify their parental control software to detect social media as well.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Calling restrictions for kids “censorship” is just silly.

Removing undesirable information is literally censorship. For irony's sake, I'll adjust my comment for your sensibility: Every restriction is a demonstration of a lack of trust.

Censorship is quite strictly defined to be done by the government. Not allowing kids to watch anything they please is called parenting.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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YouTube Kids is exempt from the ban, this one should have been banned first because the sheer amount of smoothbrain content. Channels like cocomelon and AI-generated songs with weird visuals are played on infinite loop with a mobile stand holding the phone in front of the child's pram while the parents pay no attention- and the children are hooked onto it as if they are hypnotized. These videos in early stage of chil…

> These videos in early stage of childhood has a very strong impact on environmental awareness and vocabulary of the children. I just managed to navigate the entire preschool age range without my children seeing a single cocomelon video on youtube. Its surprisingly easy, and makes me really wonder why people are complaining. Its as if they feel like they have to show these videos to their kids or something. Dont peop…

The parents putting these videos on autoplay are usually the ones who can’t afford to spend quality time with their kid.

Yet their kid demands attention. So they put the phone in front of them to be able to do whatever they needed to do.

I don’t really blame them, in today’s economic climate there are a lot of people who have to struggle every waking second to get by.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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I had no issue with using the noncorpotized social media as a teen (livejournal, myspace before the buyout, forums, etc). Anything that ruins the might of Meta, Google would be a net positive for society. Let's not act like the only way to communicate with each other or use the internet is through corporate controlled software. It would do teenagers good to be forced to use other forms of social media that aren't con…

You put these laws in place, and they will be used indiscriminately as needed. Anything can become "social media", and if not, it's easy to add a new category to the list since the Overton window has already been allowed to shift. We the people are vanguards of our own freedom. Always assume a government organization is lying to you about their intentions. We're taught about slippery slopes in civics and history clas…

No, the true intent is to curtail big tech. Let's not get lost in the weeds, the law specifically targets certain companies that have proven to be harmful toward society. Social media that is not harmful is still perfectly legal and allowed.

No one has twisted Mark Zuckerberg to make something that profits off of misery, he's more than capable in making something less harmful and not getting banned. If you don't like Zuckerberg replace him with who you do like, it's the same story.

I also trust democracy and democratic institutions. The ability to destroy something is completely democratic and should happen by the people with things prove harmful.

What I don't trust are actors who engage in advocacy that is always anti-democratic in nature.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Definitely. I remember the era of the living room desktop PC, and that was a pretty easy and effective solution. But the primary benefit of parents giving smartphones to their kids these days is the ability to stay in contact while away from each other. For teenagers, yeah I agree that message content and such should not be shared with the parent. The level of detail in the timeline should be configurable at the disc…

Kids don't really need a personal smartphone until they reach at least secondary school which put them quickly unto the early teens years. During a transition period between 11 and 13 I applied a simple solution: smartphone stay in a drawer at home unless some communication with people is important for school work, parental control disallowed install of apps, data plan was limited to the bare minimum. My eldest daugh…

Honestly sounds like you handled it very well. Starting with strong parental controls, then gradually decreasing it as they become more mature and understanding of the dangers is definitely the best way to provide online safety, without being overly restrictive or invasive. The important part being that they can learn what's normal from the real world before going into the digital world.

I just wish that this was the standard for every child. So many of them are handed completely unrestricted tablets and smartphones from a very young age these days.

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