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Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by JSR_FDED »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #11

Apple's power management isn't as great as everyone claims. I've an older MacBook Air with a severe battery drain problem. The battery will last maybe a day or two when SHUT DOWN (not sleep) before being fully drained and refuses to power on. It's done this since day one. I tried resetting everything possible which could be reset and nothing helped. Allegedly the problem is related to a Bluetooth radio which does not…

I’m not doubting you’re having a problem, but as counterpoint I have owned and bought for others more than 20 MacBook Airs and Pros the last 10 years - all with flawless power management.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by jq-r »

jbellis wrote: post #6
resters wrote: post #3

My iPad only lasts a few days even with zero use. I have not been able to figure out what settings to modify so that I can (for example) pick it up a month later and not find the battery dead.

It's Find My. No great solution. I turn my iPad off now when not actively using it.

Disabling bluetooth usually helps there. But completely, not from the control center.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by bayindirh »

ryandrake wrote: post #53
atombender wrote: post #39

Another trick is to open Activity Monitor, switch to the Energy tab, and sort by the "Preventing sleep" column. Some apps prevent macOS from sleeping. In my case, I've discovered that Devonthink (document/notes management app) is responsible. I've been meaning to file a bug report about it. I'm surprised that Apple's power management doesn't have an alert for this. Surely an app that causes my Mac to become glowing h…

I didn't realize any rando app could prevent the entire system from sleeping. Shouldn't this power be gated behind a user-controllable permission? I assume the developer needs to at least use an entitlement to call whatever API does this...?

Any website and app can do it. Zoom / Google Meet / YouTube / Bandcamp / Spotify already does this. I don't think it needs to be hidden behind walls. Maybe a user override can be added.

In Linux, KDE's power manager PowerDevil shows if something is blocking device or display sleep for example. I don't think it's hard to add an indicator in macOS, too.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by triknomeister »

bayindirh wrote: post #63
ryandrake wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize any rando app could prevent the entire system from sleeping. Shouldn't this power be gated behind a user-controllable permission? I assume the developer needs to at least use an entitlement to call whatever API does this...?

Any website and app can do it. Zoom / Google Meet / YouTube / Bandcamp / Spotify already does this. I don't think it needs to be hidden behind walls. Maybe a user override can be added. In Linux, KDE's power manager PowerDevil shows if something is blocking device or display sleep for example. I don't think it's hard to add an indicator in macOS, too.

In KDE, user can also override this.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by mlyle »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #47
mlyle wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like low lease times. DHCP server knows what's really on the network, and if something requests lots and lots of the pool you'll be fine in 15-30 minutes. If things are set to a really long time, >=12 hours, you find out the next day when everything is broken (or you get alerts in the middle of the night). If you set them to a randomized 15-90m span, you get things breaking immediately when you screw up the dhcp se…

Hah. Your answer just has more questions. What on earth is requesting so many DHCP leases?

You've never accidentally spun something up that consumes all the leases?

It's just been a couple of times, but I've definitely done it (e.g. bridged a couple of networks that shouldn't have been).

But mostly, it's the other two things: it provides me with a list of hosts active now, and if the DHCP server is subtly broken I get a sentinel signal of something being wrong earlier (and it tends to be a partial instead of complete failure).

One more bonus: if I move something to a static lease, out of the pool, it'll renumber in a reasonable time and I don't need to go kick link state to get it to request again.

Things like really big caches and really long lease times: They're good for average performance, and they can let you ride out small problems. The flip side is that they tend to mask problems and to create really big demand transients at times. The trick is always to find a good middle ground.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by odux »

ryandrake wrote: post #53
atombender wrote: post #39

Another trick is to open Activity Monitor, switch to the Energy tab, and sort by the "Preventing sleep" column. Some apps prevent macOS from sleeping. In my case, I've discovered that Devonthink (document/notes management app) is responsible. I've been meaning to file a bug report about it. I'm surprised that Apple's power management doesn't have an alert for this. Surely an app that causes my Mac to become glowing h…

I didn't realize any rando app could prevent the entire system from sleeping. Shouldn't this power be gated behind a user-controllable permission? I assume the developer needs to at least use an entitlement to call whatever API does this...?

Until recently a rando app could prevent a Mac from shutting down or logging out. I think it was changed in Sonoma.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by ryandrake »

bayindirh wrote: post #63
ryandrake wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't realize any rando app could prevent the entire system from sleeping. Shouldn't this power be gated behind a user-controllable permission? I assume the developer needs to at least use an entitlement to call whatever API does this...?

Any website and app can do it. Zoom / Google Meet / YouTube / Bandcamp / Spotify already does this. I don't think it needs to be hidden behind walls. Maybe a user override can be added. In Linux, KDE's power manager PowerDevil shows if something is blocking device or display sleep for example. I don't think it's hard to add an indicator in macOS, too.

Visibility isn't the problem. As OP mentioned, you can go into Activity Monitor to easily see what application is doing this. The user just doesn't seem to have any control over it or any way to stop a particular application from doing it.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by bayindirh »

triknomeister wrote: post #64
bayindirh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any website and app can do it. Zoom / Google Meet / YouTube / Bandcamp / Spotify already does this. I don't think it needs to be hidden behind walls. Maybe a user override can be added. In Linux, KDE's power manager PowerDevil shows if something is blocking device or display sleep for example. I don't think it's hard to add an indicator in macOS, too.

In KDE, user can also override this.

Yes, you can. I forgot to add that, thanks.

Re: MacBook Pro Insomnia

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Post by bayindirh »

ryandrake wrote: post #68
bayindirh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any website and app can do it. Zoom / Google Meet / YouTube / Bandcamp / Spotify already does this. I don't think it needs to be hidden behind walls. Maybe a user override can be added. In Linux, KDE's power manager PowerDevil shows if something is blocking device or display sleep for example. I don't think it's hard to add an indicator in macOS, too.

Visibility isn't the problem. As OP mentioned, you can go into Activity Monitor to easily see what application is doing this. The user just doesn't seem to have any control over it or any way to stop a particular application from doing it.

It's buried too deep. Clicking on battery and seeing a line saying "There are apps preventing sleep >" and hovering on it to see a list is way better than digging activity monitor.

Another option might be another section for apps preventing sleep, like power hungry applications.

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