If the full file (including addresses) gets into the wild, and I fear that this may happen, it will be a really useful tool for burglars. Many iOS devices probably correlate with many valuables in a home. That's a lot of lawsuits against everybody involved...
AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types
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Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Is Apple willingly sharing personal information with the FBI through the NCFTA? Define "willingly."
It wouldn't be "willingly". But If Apple was presented with an order from a court, then yes, they'd have no choice. They could fight it; but they'd lose, depending on the reason. Frankly the only reason would be some terrorism angle. But those types of actions are rare.
I would be surprised if you could get a court order to turn over details on 12 million users.
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#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
I run Cydia, and have determined only 16.7% of the UDIDs in that file are from jailbroken devices: I thereby do not believe that whatever managed to get this data is anywhere in our ecosystem.
Doesn't 16% sounds above the average ? Could it be related to app warez on jailbroken devices, somehow ?
I have Installous, so that could make this possible. However you need to jailbreak (which often involves Cydia) in order to even get access to Installous, so how about the other 84%?
(PS: I only use Installous if I need to trial an expensive app - I will buy the app if it does what I need :))
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
The laptop was compromised while running. We do not know whether the disc was encrypted or not.
If it was exploited through the JRE, then it doesn't really matter...
On the other hand the disk or better said the partition with sensitive data should decrypted (mounted) only when needed. I doubt he needed that data during the conference.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another more likely possibility would be to identify people who are on the list and compare all their installed apps and search for a common denominator.
People delete apps though, you'd need their entire history to cross reference that. Not to mention false positives - how many people have the Twitter or Facebook app installed, for example?
You might still be able to find an app that has a much higher installation rate for users on the leaked list that for users who aren't.
Of course, that wouldn't be a proof but merely a first step to narrow the possibilities.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
So Marco Arment could go all CSI for us and let us know whether the sample corresponds to info he retained and which would have been on the server at the time.
I've been using Instapaper since pretty much the first day, and my information is not in the file. Not to say they don't have it, but, it's not in that file, FWIW.
According to one report [1], only 1 million of about 12 million stored records were released by AntiSec, so the absence of your record is not conclusive.
1: http://thenextweb.com/2012/09/04/antisec-hackers-leak-100000...
Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types
#207I doubt very much that Apple had anything to do with this. That's not the kind of company they are.
Wait, are syou serious? I didnt know anyone could be _that_ delusional about Apple. You _really_ think Apple cares about privacy? They aren't "that kind of company"? Where the hell do you get the idea that Apple cares about the morality of their decisions? Could it be that you are a fanboy? Wait, I know the answer to that already. ..."shit HN says", right here.
The accusation is that Apple INTENTIONALLY gave the FBI a database with twelve million records. That is what my comment refers to. It is preposterous to propose that Apple --or any company for that matter-- would willingly do that. The liability hole this would open up would be massive. They are a business and you can bet your ass that every decision with potential liability consequences is well considered by managers and their legal teams.
No, I am not an Apple fanboy, quite the contrary. As a developer I am very critical of their attitude and decision making. I think they really suck at some things and have been very vocal about it on HN and elsewhere. That does not mean that I would automatically vilify them for everything.
HN is very interesting at times. Most of the time you get positive feedback when you are for Apple and for politically Liberal points of view. However, sometimes the poles reverse and North becomes South. This is rare when Apple is the subject. I guess in this case it was as simple as not understanding what the comment was referring to, which can happen if someone doesn't actually read the original article in the first place.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Surely this is illegal. So? Pretty sure torture and car bombing innocent women and children is also illegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Beirut_car_bombing
There's always one person in the comments section that leaves a comment that couldn't be any further disconnected from the discussion. As pointed out you're getting confused with the CIA, it even quite clearly says in the Wikipedia article you linked: "...a failed assassination attempt organized by the American CIA and British intelligence" Lets not make this situation out to sound worse than it is. The FBI having ac…
> you're getting confused with the CIA
No I am not. I was talking about the executive branch of the our government.
> Lets not make this situation out to sound worse than it is.
I was commenting on the assertion that this is 'illegal' and thus how could FBI possibly do this. And my response was that it seems illegality isn't exactly stopping anyone, be it FBI, CIA or other agency.
Re: AntiSec leaks 1,000,001 Apple UDIDs, Device Names/Types
#209I have found my own UDID - I can confirm these are real UDID's - and now I want to know why an FBI agent had my (a brit) UDID on their laptop.
Are you a member of the NCFTA, perchance?
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#210I can't believe with nearly 100 comments I appear to be the only one to call the whole story of how these were acquired into doubt. I'm not saying that the FBI story isn't true, but so many comments here just assume it to be 100% factual - there's no evidence that it was taken from the FBI vs found on a USB Stick in the garbage. It's a big story, yes, but I think maybe a deep breath is in order before we all accuse t…
I guess we better start tracking everything the FBI does. You know, so we can prove their innocence.
Besides, what's the big deal... if they have nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about!