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Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by boudin »

runsWphotons wrote: post #355
boudin wrote: post #348

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There are multiple studies showing the negative impact of social media on teen's health. It's not about censorship but about forcing companies that don't care at all to be held accountable. I'm not sure the approach taken by Australia will be effective (i'm not sure how it can be implemented), but i don't see the problem with doing something against harmful companies like meta, tiktok, x/twitter One of the study http…

If you don't want your kid using the internet then don't let them. No need to throw the whole society under the bus.

We're talking about social media here. There's nothing throwing the whole society under the bus.

I don't agree with the approach from the Australian government and I don't see that at being effective but regulating shady companies using deceptive techniques to maximise their profit is a necessary thing.

Personally I think differentiating impact on kids/teens and adult is a mistake and the approach should be around really strict control on data collection as well as strict control on the use/abuse of manipulative techniques to create addictions.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by dpassens »

bfg_9k wrote: post #283
ncruces wrote: post #39

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As a parent (who also btw uses Google products every single effin day) I just can't agree. This is entirely Google's issue to fix. Yes, YouTube has amazing educational content. I'd really like to make it available for my kids to see. YouTube, however, makes it completely impossible to permanently filter/hide/disable the bane that is YouTube Shorts. I don't let my kids on TikTok not because it's Chinese, but because i…

So then block google/YT and call it a day? It's absolutely not Google's problem. This isn't a "real life" thing - it's not like there's a strip club with open windows next door to your house for your children to look into. We're talking about a computer/iPad/mobile phone - block YT at the DNS level or better yet, don't even give one to your kids. Problem solved. Other people shouldn't have to be punished with breache…

No, but the strip club is next to everybody else's house as well as schools.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by exe34 »

Aurornis wrote: post #290
vineyardmike wrote: post #161

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> I don't really understand why Youtube won't let me create a profile, on my paid family account that I'm paying $29 NZD a month for, which lets me whitelist channels The answer is to this question is always: it is too niche a product feature for a giant corporation to prioritize. This product would require constant work to keep in sync as UIs and features change. It would be one more feature to regression test again…

> We should be allowed to create and use whatever UI we want for the public endpoints that are exposed Having been at a company that tried this: The number of poorly-behaved or outright abusive clients is a huge problem. Having a client become popular with a small group of people and then receive some update that turned it into a DDoS machine because someone made a mistake in a loop or forgot to sleep after an error…

> The volume of support requests due to third party clients

It's not like Google provides any support to their consumers though. They barely provide any to their customers.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by owisd »

runsWphotons wrote: post #355
boudin wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are multiple studies showing the negative impact of social media on teen's health. It's not about censorship but about forcing companies that don't care at all to be held accountable. I'm not sure the approach taken by Australia will be effective (i'm not sure how it can be implemented), but i don't see the problem with doing something against harmful companies like meta, tiktok, x/twitter One of the study http…

If you don't want your kid using the internet then don't let them. No need to throw the whole society under the bus.

Maybe manageable till they're 11 or 12, but after that there are just too many internet-enabled devices out there in the world for a parent to police.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by exe34 »

abduhl wrote: post #313
shakna wrote: post #304

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> Who's in charge here, you or your kids? As a parent you're not in charge of a teenager. You're there to guide them, and try to protect them from their bad choices, but they have reached a point where they are beginning to control their self-determinism. They're not a kid anymore. If you just try to act the authority, try to control everything, then well... You'll either end up in abusive land, or trying to control…

You are, in fact, in charge of your teenager as a parent. They are, in fact, still a kid. Controlling your kid’s access to things which you deem harmful is, in fact, not abusive. Setting appropriate boundaries does not, in fact, mean you are not treating your kid as a person who has their own sense of self. Most kids will not, in fact, hate you for setting boundaries and being their parent. It is quite impressive tha…

You when your kids reach 18: "why do my kids not talk to me anymore? oh woe is me, what have I ever done wrong!"

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by afiori »

shivasaxena wrote: post #384
Aurornis wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We should be allowed to create and use whatever UI we want for the public endpoints that are exposed Having been at a company that tried this: The number of poorly-behaved or outright abusive clients is a huge problem. Having a client become popular with a small group of people and then receive some update that turned it into a DDoS machine because someone made a mistake in a loop or forgot to sleep after an error…

Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience. > Having been at a company that tried this: The number of poorly-behaved or outright abusive clients is a huge problem. Having a client become popular with a small group of people and then receive some update that turned it into a DDoS machine because someone made a mistake in a loop or forgot to sleep after an error was a frequent occurrence. Ok, but this coul…

There is no limit that avoid both false nevative and false postives

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by owisd »

sien wrote: post #239
OhioMan2943 wrote: post #191

Adding some context which is sorely missing: Our government intends to spruik this at the UN and get other countries on board. Our government has said there will always be a non id method Youtube will still be accessible it is just the account making/usership which will be banned Posting my threaded comment higher up: I'm an australian who completed the esafety survey which helped guide this policy. I pushed for anon…

The case against social media is pretty weak. https://www.conspicuouscognition.com/p/the-case-against-soci... Meanwhile Australia has the largest per capita losses on gambling in the world. https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-welfare/gambling Which the government doesn't care about. This may have something to do that people don't criticise the government when they are just losing their life's savings.

The substack you linked is about political polarisation and doesn't mention children once.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Aurornis wrote: post #290
vineyardmike wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't really understand why Youtube won't let me create a profile, on my paid family account that I'm paying $29 NZD a month for, which lets me whitelist channels The answer is to this question is always: it is too niche a product feature for a giant corporation to prioritize. This product would require constant work to keep in sync as UIs and features change. It would be one more feature to regression test again…

> We should be allowed to create and use whatever UI we want for the public endpoints that are exposed Having been at a company that tried this: The number of poorly-behaved or outright abusive clients is a huge problem. Having a client become popular with a small group of people and then receive some update that turned it into a DDoS machine because someone made a mistake in a loop or forgot to sleep after an error…

Something being hard shouldn't be a reason to not do it. Put the features in and punish those who abuse the system. That's what regulation should be for. I think in general we need a wider solution to rampant botting as AI makes it even easier to bot.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by energy123 »

stephen_g wrote: post #314
forgotoldacc wrote: post #46

A couple months ago, I saw people everywhere online (including HN) saying they love the idea of social media bans for kids. They love the idea of keeping people under 18 safe from the dangers of porn and mature games and other unclean things as well. Now governments around the world are acting in unison to happily give those people what they want, and people are suddenly confused and pissed that these laws mean you n…

From here in Australia, nobody was really asking for this here. Best I can tell it came from a single but sustained pressure campaign by one of the Murdoch newspapers. Then the Government gamed some survey polling to make it look like there was support for it (asking questions that assumed an impossible perfect system that could magically block under-16s with no age verification for adults). Still, over 40% of parent…

Is it this one? How did the government game this poll?

> According to the YouGov poll, seen by the dpa news agency, some 77% of respondents said they would either "fully" or "somewhat" support similar legislation in Germany.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Post by johnnyanmac »

modeless wrote: post #206
frereubu wrote: post #185

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That feature isn't what I think the parent comment is asking for. What you've linked to is specifically YouTube Kids, and it's groups of channels whitelisted by the YouTube team. What I think the parent comment is asking for, and I want too, is full availability of all YouTube channels, but the ability to block everything except whitelisted channels. I agree, it's too niche a product. But I often think that people wh…

Why is everyone saying this doesn't exist? It's right there on the linked page! It's called "Approved Content Only" and I assure you that it exists, it's a real feature, it works just like you want, I use it myself, my kids watch Primitive Technology and Smarter Every Day and they can't watch videos I don't whitelist. It does have a few issues. It's not reliable in showing everything you allow, sometimes things are m…

>Why is everyone saying this doesn't exist? It's right there on the linked page!

Because you're whitelisting on videos that Youtube already filtered on. If there's some form of content that is not on Youtube Kids that you want to whitelist, you're out of luck.

>why does Google get to decide that for me? I'm an adult and can choose what level of product placement is acceptable for my kids

COPPA, probably.

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