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Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

I'm an everyday Australian, I'll take a few guesses. (I don't support these new laws) 1. we don't have as an antagonistic relationship with our government and we trust that most of what will be banned will be gross stuff we don't want weirdos watching. 2. I think most people feel social media really is breaking young people, and its easier if all kids are banned than just trying to ban your own kids. It's really hard…

To use the Donald Horne quote "Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise."

Unfortunately, this has propagated down to a lot of the people. They want the government to be the parent instead.

As Jordan Shanks once said - "I have 6 investment properties" is the entire personality of a lot of Aussies. Many others are the same they just don't have the opportunity.

This whole situation appears to be a failing on all angles. From government over reach, corporate greed by forgoing morals to the people who are so worn down they just don't have anything left to give.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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I don't really understand why Youtube won't let me create a profile, on my paid family account that I'm paying $29 NZD a month for, which lets me whitelist channels. I'm happy for my kids to have free access to certain channels on youtube, but the mind numbing shorts, and shit they find on random channels just does my head in. And it seems to be getting worse, I'm not sure if its that they are getting older and able…

> I don't really understand why Youtube won't let me create a profile, on my paid family account that I'm paying $29 NZD a month for, which lets me whitelist channels The answer is to this question is always: it is too niche a product feature for a giant corporation to prioritize. This product would require constant work to keep in sync as UIs and features change. It would be one more feature to regression test again…

> This product would require constant work to keep in sync as UIs and features change.

But why does the UI need to change? Nobody would miss having to relearn it every couple of months.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Idiocy beyond reason. The Australian population seems to have fallen to the same mental illness of their UK cousins, of letting the nannying state pry into every facet to their lives and treat them like stupid little children, even in very basic elements of giving teenagers and kids some modicum of autonomy (with a nice mass potential surveillance cherry on top). For one thing, among all its garbage content, like the…

It's not idiocy. It's malice and it's lobbied hard transnationally. It's coming to the EU as well:

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-ver...

People who complained about political speech being too scary to tolerate (see the typical discourse around Republicans on sites like these) have been pushing for this all along.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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More likely this will force them to be right wing as they get older. Young ppl arent digging left wing stuff as trends show many are shifting to conservatism.

That’s not universally true. In Australia, young people skew significantly progressive, and young woman even more so.

It think you are right but also trying to shove an entire generation into a single box isnt the smartest idea we have. Yes, Nuance is needed.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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This is raising a generation of radicalized teens with institutionalized hatred against the older generation. Will end well

You think kids will grow up to hate their parents because they weren't able to consume brainrot? They'll turn 18, open Tiktok for the first time and think wow our parents have been keeping this treasure from us all our childhood? Do kids grow up to hate their parents because they aren't allowed to drink before turning 21? If it's a general ban for all kids, not just some that will then feel excluded from the rest of the group, I don't think they'll care the tiniest bit about not being allowed to access this crap before age 18.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

#396

Why are so many countries like Australia, UK, EU, etc suddenly pro censorship. Aren’t these all liberal democracies? I would think these policies would be very unpopular. Is there some analysis of how this came to be normalized?

I think most parents are really uncomfortable with adolescents accesing smartphone porn, and also sexting.

Particularly highly religious parents, like those in Utah.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My teens, and each one I have encountered through them, cannot discern a pixel from a wallsocket. They are tech consumers. Not tech savvy. My dad (82) is more tech savvy.

They're not tech savvy because they didn't need to be. That will change. One thing that has not changed from our parents generation to our generation to the upcoming generations is that teenagers will be troublemakers, push boundaries, get caught doing a number of things that displease you, and get away with many more things that you won't find out about for decades - if ever.

Please.... They do not care enough about YouTube. Touch their snap and you may have a point. But I doubt it.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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I'm kinda surprised that the rightsholders don't try to push the accountability onto the ISPs.

The ISPs are giving the individuals their licence plates (IP Addresses) so are in a good spot to say this IP is allowed to access X content. For devices being a NAT then the local router can provide that information to the ISP to forward to the service.

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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I'm kinda surprised that the rightsholders don't try to push the accountability onto the ISPs. The ISPs are giving the individuals their licence plates (IP Addresses) so are in a good spot to say this IP is allowed to access X content. For devices being a NAT then the local router can provide that information to the ISP to forward to the service.

There's already Australian High Court precedent establishing that Australian ISP's are blind providers of data with no obligation to spy on their users for the benefit of third parties wanting user intel to connect the dots.

That was WRT torrenting, but it's a case that'd serve as a foundation for any push back in other related claims.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadshow_Films_Pty_Ltd_v_iiNet...

  This case is important in copyright law of Australia because it tests copyright law changes required in the Australia–United States Free Trade Agreement, and set a precedent for future law suits about the responsibility of Australian Internet service providers with regards to copyright infringement via their services.

  The managing director of iiNet, Michael Malone, claimed that "iiNet cannot disconnect a customer's phone line based on an allegation. The alleged offence needs to be pursued by the police and proven in the courts. iiNet would then be able to disconnect the service as it had been proven that the customer had breached our Customer Relations Agreement,"
In general it established that Australian ISP's are not obligated to act as a nanny wrt their customers.

ISP's can, of course, choose to do all manner of MiTM behaviour and monitoring but they are not obligated* to do so.

* save via five eyes related unspoken mandatory duties nobody talks about

Re: Australia widens teen social media ban to YouTube, scraps exemption

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I would love to block the shorts at home router level. I hesitate to just block the site altogether

Don't their shorts go under https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ Maybe you can just block all URLs that falls under /shorts/

Not router level, but "Enhancer for YouTube" has "Hide shorts" in its appearance preferences. Available on Chrome, Firefox, and Edge.

If I was a concerned parent, I'd just install and hide the extension from the bookmarks bar.

The downside being that it doesn't affect native YouTube apps for mobile devices...

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