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Vibe code is legacy code

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Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by raincole »

doesnt_know wrote: post #119
CharlieDigital wrote: post #67

A story about a non-technical friend: friend vibe coded a SaaS last year and started generating revenue with almost no marketing; all word of mouth and inbound in a niche industry. Used Replit and Supabase to build the thing; I am still really impressed by what he was able to do given how complex the app ended up becoming as he interacted with customers. What I think happened: there are two incumbents in this space t…

The fact your friend is suffering no consequences and is able to just carry on is exactly what is wrong with this industry. In a perfect world the creation of software would have been locked down like other engineering fields, with developers and companies suffering legal consequences for exposing customer information.

People really want to bring down the growth of the USA's software industry to EU level.

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by chillfox »

CharlieDigital wrote: post #134
WD-42 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not default to assuming it was his competitors, that sounds like scapegoating to deflect responsibility. What most likely happened is his site was scanned by one of the increasingly sophisticated exploit crawlers (anyone who runs an internet facing site and can view traffic knows what I'm talking about). His site got flagged as vulnerable, the hacker found out it was built like swiss cheese and had fun with i…

It's def a hacker from a the incumbent because: 1) They took action after getting the Stripe key by refunding all customers 2) They drafted an email to all customers after a hack that got the mailing list and API route to send emails 3) Not once has the hacker asked for compensation of any kind nor a ransom

My understanding has always been that most hackers do it for the fun/challenge/sport of it and it's only a small fraction who are in it for the money.

Breaking things is just fun for them and the internet is their video game.

Also the vibe I am getting from places like reddit/etc... is that it's currently open season on vibe coded apps. Lot's of internet points to be had for destroying them.

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by [deleted] »

eddythompson80 wrote: post #120
WD-42 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not default to assuming it was his competitors, that sounds like scapegoating to deflect responsibility. What most likely happened is his site was scanned by one of the increasingly sophisticated exploit crawlers (anyone who runs an internet facing site and can view traffic knows what I'm talking about). His site got flagged as vulnerable, the hacker found out it was built like swiss cheese and had fun with i…

Who else would spend the time and effort to figure out you leaked your stipe key to your front end? Sure people have bots to do that, but it’s kinda unbelievable someone would run such a bot on their vibe coded website.

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Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by dijksterhuis »

YokoZar wrote: post #159
anamexis wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how any of that implies that an incumbent did it.

If you were a criminal trolling the Internet for vulnerable servers and found stripe keys... would your first instinct be to refund customers rather than do some other sort of crime? Like what's the motivation you envision here?

Some people just want to watch the world burn :shrugs:

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by chillfox »

YokoZar wrote: post #159
anamexis wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how any of that implies that an incumbent did it.

If you were a criminal trolling the Internet for vulnerable servers and found stripe keys... would your first instinct be to refund customers rather than do some other sort of crime? Like what's the motivation you envision here?

Fun and internet points!

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by WD-42 »

YokoZar wrote: post #159
anamexis wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how any of that implies that an incumbent did it.

If you were a criminal trolling the Internet for vulnerable servers and found stripe keys... would your first instinct be to refund customers rather than do some other sort of crime? Like what's the motivation you envision here?

"Because I can" or "Because it's funny" are more than enough reason for most people. The fact that the hacker refunded all the customers, then emailed them to warn them that they were using a terrible app actually sounds like a pretty tame troll to me. If the hacker was truly hired by the competition to act maliciously, they could have done far, far worse.

Your friend should take this as a lesson instead of trying to deflect blame to their competitors.

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by sshine »

bobjordan wrote: post #46

Coding with AI is just a different kind of work than what those of us that coded before AI are used to doing. But, reading and understanding the code AI produces is required for anything complex. I had an inventory control app that I started five years ago without AI and picked the project back up this year. I had like 15-20 database tables in the app when I started with AI this year. Now, I have a "platform" databas…

I’ve been coding a git-powered issue tracker (like git-bug) that’s been on my wishlist for years.

With agentic programming, I need issue tracking that is accessible from CLI, and in three evenings I’ve made what would have taken two weeks.

The thing is, I would have just never finished it, or started in this case.

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by dehrmann »

extr wrote: post #35

IMO, the time of "code as math" is over. No sufficiently large software system that interacts with the real world is provable to be correct like a mathematical statement is. They are all complicated, engineered systems that are backed by a mix of formal guarantees, earned design principals, experimental testing, rules of thumb, acceptable performance envelopes, etc This is what all software will become, down to the s…

> No sufficiently large software system that interacts with the real world is provable to be correct like a mathematical statement is.

People who work in formal verification will either vehemently disagree with you or secretly know you're right.

Re: Vibe code is legacy code

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Post by SecretDreams »

chillfox wrote: post #172
CharlieDigital wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's def a hacker from a the incumbent because: 1) They took action after getting the Stripe key by refunding all customers 2) They drafted an email to all customers after a hack that got the mailing list and API route to send emails 3) Not once has the hacker asked for compensation of any kind nor a ransom

My understanding has always been that most hackers do it for the fun/challenge/sport of it and it's only a small fraction who are in it for the money. Breaking things is just fun for them and the internet is their video game. Also the vibe I am getting from places like reddit/etc... is that it's currently open season on vibe coded apps. Lot's of internet points to be had for destroying them.

Breaking things is fun. Effectively stealing money (the refunds) is highly illegal, immoral, and malicious. Who knows who did it, but that aspect is just dickhead territory.
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