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Launch HN: Lucidic (YC W25) – Debug, test, and evaluate AI agents in production

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Re: Launch HN: Lucidic (YC W25) – Debug, test, and evaluate AI agents in production

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You say your rubric approach is “better than llm as a judge.” Can you please elaborate on what makes you say that?

LLM as a judge for agent usually has context overload and even if you have a really good prompt for your evaluation, LLMs hallucinate because there is just too much information to ingest. So we created an agentic pipeline to basically do evaluations on rubrics which have better results and dont miss intricacies due to the overloaded context.

Re: Launch HN: Lucidic (YC W25) – Debug, test, and evaluate AI agents in production

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How does Lucidic define the term "AI agent"?

Colloquially, AI agents are just while loops with LLM calls and tool calls. More specifically, what distinguishes an agent from LLM pipelines is that its next step is determined dynamically (based on the output of the previous one) so the execution path isn’t fixed. The boundary between complex LLM chaining and agents is pretty fuzzy, but we support both. Haha also our whole backend is in Django :)

Gotcha, you're using the "LLM calling tools in a loop" definition. I think that's a decent one, but I worry that many people out there are carrying around completely different ideas as to what the term means.

Re: Launch HN: Lucidic (YC W25) – Debug, test, and evaluate AI agents in production

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I do feel frustrated with the current state of evaluations for long-lived sessions with many tool calls -- by default OpenAI's built-in eval system seems to rate chat completions that end with a tool call as "bad" because the tool call response is only in the next completion.

But our stack is in Go and it has been tough to see a lot of observability tools focus on Python rather than an agnostic endpoint proxy like Helicone has.

Re: Launch HN: Lucidic (YC W25) – Debug, test, and evaluate AI agents in production

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I do feel frustrated with the current state of evaluations for long-lived sessions with many tool calls -- by default OpenAI's built-in eval system seems to rate chat completions that end with a tool call as "bad" because the tool call response is only in the next completion. But our stack is in Go and it has been tough to see a lot of observability tools focus on Python rather than an agnostic endpoint proxy like He…

we're working on that right now, we'd love to hear your opinions(if you're interested you can send us an email at team@lucidic.ai).
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