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.NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by nartho »

ewoodrich wrote: post #43
brokencode wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is upgrading every 3 years really that bad? As far as I know, they typically aren’t removing features or causing disruptive changes in .NET versions. They did when switching away from .NET Framework, but this was because they had to reimplement many features from scratch to work on other platforms, and certain parts got left behind.

The last few .NET updates have been pretty much effortless updates for us. These are internal web apps and not using really esoteric C# features but that probably describes a reasonably large percentage of enterprise .NET adoption.

I don't think they introduced any breaking changes after .NET 6

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by tracker1 »

jug wrote: post #32

My favorite .NET 10 feature so far is not within the .NET library itself, but `dotnet tool exec` to run C# files as scripts without a build step. This has been available in F# for a long time via `dotnet fsi`, and for C# also via the third party cs-script tool. It took a surprisingly long time to officially reach the primary .NET language! I only really wish C# would’ve been directly integrated as an alternative scri…

Now I'm curious if C#/.Net 10 is smart enough to ignore the shebang line. Personally, I've tended to use Deno/TS for my more advanced shell scripting... the main runtime is a single executable that works fine in user context, and dependencies can be loaded/cached at first run.

Of course, with C# as a shell script, you'd likely be limited to just in the box libraries or have to setup a project for sake of running a script, like I've had to do with Node or Python stuff.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by sumtechguy »

qingcharles wrote: post #56
giancarlostoro wrote: post #25

Only thing I want to hear about lately is the next major version of Visual Studio, I feel like it will never come. I always feel like every major version has drastic improvements, and I'm starved for them.

This thing has barely changed in the ~30 years I've been using it. There's definitely room for some more improvements.

You can divide visual studio into 4 era's. The vs6 (we smashed all of our dev tooling together and its integrated decently) era, the vs2002/vs2003/vs2005 (we broke it all and you will like it and never speak of C++ again), vs2010 era (we fixed all of that from 2002 sorry about that), vs2017/vs2022 (it updates from the internet and takes forever to install and now does everything).

The problem is MS is unwilling to stick with anything dev wise. The whole ecos system is a littered realm of half forgotten techs that may or may not be supported anymore. Wrapped with very confusing messaging to the devs what to use.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by edtech_dev »

rafaelmn wrote: post #23
tester756 wrote: post #11

.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(

Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…

csharpier is great. It is what "dotnet format" should be.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by edtech_dev »

Nelkins wrote: post #79
atombender wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know about any sizeable open source projects written in C#, other than what Microsoft has produced? I rarely come across anything written in it.

Akka.NET and AvaloniaUI are two big ones.

I'll add Orchard CMS to this list. Also a lot of the seven seas software.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by tracker1 »

atombender wrote: post #50
tester756 wrote: post #11

.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(

Do you know about any sizeable open source projects written in C#, other than what Microsoft has produced? I rarely come across anything written in it.

Can't speak for FLOSS, but I've worked on massive projects in various Banking, Govt and eLearning spaces. I've never really hurt for library support via NuGet either. It's honestly not always my first choice, but pays the bills.

I mostly just dislike a lot of the excessive use of "Enterprise Patterns" for projects that don't come close to actually needing them.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by contextfree »

thewebguyd wrote: post #51
pjmlp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very much doubt about TS.Net, given the rewrite in Go decision. .NET nowadays has a serious adoption problem, and they should spend more time talking with their own colleagues at Azure, about their use of Java, Go, Rust.

> .NET nowadays has a serious adoption problem It's seriously going to make people question the future of the platform. Look at Microsoft's actions, not their words. TS Compiler: Go New TUI Editor: Rust Winget: C++ (this would have been a great candidate for .NET) At least PowerToys is C#. .NET is great, but why isn't it good enough for Microsoft? The company that historically has had such a strong culture of dogfood…

Windows and Office never adopted .NET for client code in the first place except for the Longhorn period in the mid-00s, which burned them and put them off it. If that didn't stop .NET in the two decades between then and now, I'm not sure why it would today. Actually, Windows is just now starting to adopt C# now that AOT is supported (I think the new native Copilot app is C#).

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by edtech_dev »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #2

All I want is for dotnet watch to behave in a predictable way. In .NET 9, even when using —no-hot-reload, sometimes CSS changes to components are not picked up on Blazor components. It’s so aggravating because ASP.NET with server side Blazor components really has it all: type safety, server-side components ala Astro, fantastic ORM model, great runtime perf. But this little issue makes dev quite tedious at present: di…

I hear a lot of complaints about dotnet watch, but my experience doesn't match. I just use it from the terminal (instead of running it from an IDE) and it mostly just works.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by edtech_dev »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #25

Only thing I want to hear about lately is the next major version of Visual Studio, I feel like it will never come. I always feel like every major version has drastic improvements, and I'm starved for them.

Have you tried Rider?

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by tracker1 »

rafaelmn wrote: post #27
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #2

All I want is for dotnet watch to behave in a predictable way. In .NET 9, even when using —no-hot-reload, sometimes CSS changes to components are not picked up on Blazor components. It’s so aggravating because ASP.NET with server side Blazor components really has it all: type safety, server-side components ala Astro, fantastic ORM model, great runtime perf. But this little issue makes dev quite tedious at present: di…

I inherited an MVC app that has a bunch of jQuery rendering crap and I would like to move to server side components - since you seem to be into Blazor Server side - have you heard of HTMX ? What would you say would be the benefit of Blazor vs HTMX and Razor Pages for subviews ? My experience with Microsoft UI toolkits after winforms, is that they are all janky over-engineered stuff (Silverlight/WPF/Xamarin/Maui) terr…

Jetbrains built some awesome tooling to support HTMX apps using razor engine and some MVC conventions. It's pretty neat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS6m37jhdqM&t=1800s

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