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.NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by siws »

rafaelmn wrote: post #23
tester756 wrote: post #11

.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(

Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…

I’ve been using csharpier for almost a year now and it’s amazing. Because it’s opinionated, you don’t have the space to overthink it, you just use it.

Besides, I really like its formatting style.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by Merad »

rafaelmn wrote: post #23
tester756 wrote: post #11

.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(

Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…

Csharpier is the best option available. I've been using it for 3-4 years now and had success getting it adopted at my last two companies on greenfield projects. It's not exactly an unknown tool - nearly 2k stars on Github. But a lot old school .Net companies just don't seem to have much interest in auto formatters because they've been working without them for a long time.

If you're using csharpier you don't need to use Roslynator formatters. No issue with the analyzers package. The csharpier docs have info on what StyleCop rules need to be adjusted so they can work together. Personally I don't use StyleCop anymore as it seems to be fairly dead, and I don't really feel the need for things like enforcing file layout or naming.

Edit: Also I will add that unless the landscape has changed recently, I believe csharpier is the only C# tool that has deterministic formatting good enough to enforce code formatting checks in CI.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by ewoodrich »

brokencode wrote: post #24
croes wrote: post #21

I prefer .Net Framework 4.8 Longer lifetime than any .Net version.

Is upgrading every 3 years really that bad? As far as I know, they typically aren’t removing features or causing disruptive changes in .NET versions. They did when switching away from .NET Framework, but this was because they had to reimplement many features from scratch to work on other platforms, and certain parts got left behind.

The last few .NET updates have been pretty much effortless updates for us. These are internal web apps and not using really esoteric C# features but that probably describes a reasonably large percentage of enterprise .NET adoption.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by starik36 »

brokencode wrote: post #24
croes wrote: post #21

I prefer .Net Framework 4.8 Longer lifetime than any .Net version.

Is upgrading every 3 years really that bad? As far as I know, they typically aren’t removing features or causing disruptive changes in .NET versions. They did when switching away from .NET Framework, but this was because they had to reimplement many features from scratch to work on other platforms, and certain parts got left behind.

When I need to send someone an app, I usually use .NET Framework 4.8 because I know it's already installed on every recent version of Windows. This way all I have to distribute is a single very small exe. No need to package a framework with it.

Similar feat with .NET core usually results in a 70-80MB executable.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by Merad »

croes wrote: post #21

I prefer .Net Framework 4.8 Longer lifetime than any .Net version.

I've upgraded apps from every version since .Net Core 2.0. The upgrades always take a few hours, maybe half a day (with the exception of 2.0 to 3.0 which took a few days - many breaking changes). It's well worth a few hours per year to get the advantages of newer languages features, enhancements in Asp.Net Core, security and performance enhancements in the .Net Runtime, etc.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by sergiotapia »

I haven't used C#/.NET since .NET 4 - I remember it was great, yet heavily tied into Visual Studio, and forget about using CLI for things like most other languages. It was all GUI or nothing. Insurmountable XML files.

How are things these days with .NET 10! Jesus, 10!

Dudes who use it daily, what is your favorite feature you think?

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by SirMaster »

starik36 wrote: post #44
brokencode wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is upgrading every 3 years really that bad? As far as I know, they typically aren’t removing features or causing disruptive changes in .NET versions. They did when switching away from .NET Framework, but this was because they had to reimplement many features from scratch to work on other platforms, and certain parts got left behind.

When I need to send someone an app, I usually use .NET Framework 4.8 because I know it's already installed on every recent version of Windows. This way all I have to distribute is a single very small exe. No need to package a framework with it. Similar feat with .NET core usually results in a 70-80MB executable.

Is 70-80MB really a big deal to distribute in 2025?

Also if you use trim unused code and compress the executable in my experience it's usually a lot smaller than this.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by osigurdson »

sergiotapia wrote: post #46

I haven't used C#/.NET since .NET 4 - I remember it was great, yet heavily tied into Visual Studio, and forget about using CLI for things like most other languages. It was all GUI or nothing. Insurmountable XML files. How are things these days with .NET 10! Jesus, 10! Dudes who use it daily, what is your favorite feature you think?

The version numbers used to increase much more slowly. Since the .NET (modernized / cross platform) core "track" the version number increments every year.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by majora2007 »

sergiotapia wrote: post #46

I haven't used C#/.NET since .NET 4 - I remember it was great, yet heavily tied into Visual Studio, and forget about using CLI for things like most other languages. It was all GUI or nothing. Insurmountable XML files. How are things these days with .NET 10! Jesus, 10! Dudes who use it daily, what is your favorite feature you think?

Very different. That was the .NET I knew in college, .NET Core really changed the game. I personally use CLI just for EF Core (ORM) but Rider support is there so you're not tied to VS.

My fav feature is honestly how little boilerplate I need compared to Spring Boot and the syntax sugar is honestly really nice.

Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution

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Post by atombender »

tester756 wrote: post #11

.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(

Do you know about any sizeable open source projects written in C#, other than what Microsoft has produced? I rarely come across anything written in it.
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