I prefer .Net Framework 4.8
Longer lifetime than any .Net version.
.NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
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Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#22All I want is for dotnet watch to behave in a predictable way. In .NET 9, even when using —no-hot-reload, sometimes CSS changes to components are not picked up on Blazor components. It’s so aggravating because ASP.NET with server side Blazor components really has it all: type safety, server-side components ala Astro, fantastic ORM model, great runtime perf. But this little issue makes dev quite tedious at present: di…
> It’s so aggravating because ASP.NET with server side Blazor components really has it all Agreed. I bailed on Blazor over the tooling experience. Editing components in VS2022 was so janky for me. Syntax highlighting and intellisense never worked correctly.
I don’t think there’s ever been any good tooling for the entire collection of ASP.NET DSLs. Be that MVC, Razor, or Blazor. Genuinely the same problems I had in VS2010 still happen in VS2022.
There’s been some changes and improvements, but I really have to ask what the editor tooling team within that team are doing.
I know there are some very difficult problems involved in parsing and formatting and highlighting bastardised mixtures of HTML, C#, and JavaScript all in the same file but if anything I think that perhaps suggests it was a bad idea to begin with.
Consider the tooling for desktop and mobile apps with XAML (WPF, Avalonia) or even WinForms - they all have code behind support.
Meaning there is no need (or ability) to mix all three in the same file.
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#23.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(
Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it.
Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ?
This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where some people use vs/vs code/rider
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#24I prefer .Net Framework 4.8 Longer lifetime than any .Net version.
Is upgrading every 3 years really that bad? As far as I know, they typically aren’t removing features or causing disruptive changes in .NET versions.
They did when switching away from .NET Framework, but this was because they had to reimplement many features from scratch to work on other platforms, and certain parts got left behind.
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#25Only thing I want to hear about lately is the next major version of Visual Studio, I feel like it will never come. I always feel like every major version has drastic improvements, and I'm starved for them.
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Say more?
.NET perf can be great in the sense that it provides more tools to write C-like code while still taking advantage of safe memory management, as compared to Java. On the downside, both their JIT and their GC seem to be far less sophisticated than the JVM. Why, for instance, does the CLR GC not have something like TLABs? The result is that it seems like .NET devs have to worry a lot more about the expense of small, sho…
> On the downside, both their JIT and their GC seem to be far less sophisticated than the JVM
I've always heard this, but does it actually manifest in noticeably worse performance than the JVM? Go has a much simpler GC, but it's not terribly slower than Java (I do know they are optimized for different things).
It seems like C# is within bounds of Java while also having great performance escape hatches.
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#27All I want is for dotnet watch to behave in a predictable way. In .NET 9, even when using —no-hot-reload, sometimes CSS changes to components are not picked up on Blazor components. It’s so aggravating because ASP.NET with server side Blazor components really has it all: type safety, server-side components ala Astro, fantastic ORM model, great runtime perf. But this little issue makes dev quite tedious at present: di…
I inherited an MVC app that has a bunch of jQuery rendering crap and I would like to move to server side components - since you seem to be into Blazor Server side - have you heard of HTMX ?
What would you say would be the benefit of Blazor vs HTMX and Razor Pages for subviews ?
My experience with Microsoft UI toolkits after winforms, is that they are all janky over-engineered stuff (Silverlight/WPF/Xamarin/Maui) terrible tooling and support compared to alternatives. And Blazor using websockets makes me believe it is the same. The compile to WASM idea is a typical example of this.
So what would be the selling point of Blazor ? It feels like you are just bundling stuff into Blazor magic when you could KISS with something simple like HTMX ?
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#28.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(
Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…
dotnet format [0] exists and is maintained by the .NET team. It is different from Prettier in that it is much more configurable, but it gets the job done for us. It does integrate language services and can automatically apply code fixes for custom analyzers. I have not explicitly tried roslynator or stylecop, but I suspect this would work as expected.
[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/dotnet-f...
Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#29.NET was the most sane programming ecosystem that I worked in. Great CLI, great package manager, very good stdlib, strong IDEs/Debuggers, etc. but sadly interesting jobs like OSes, databases and compilers are way less common than in C++ world :(
Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…
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Re: .NET 10 Preview 6 brings JIT improvements, one-shot tool execution
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since you mention great CLI - is there a CLI tool that is free/cross platform that works like prettier ? I found https://csharpier.com/ but have never heard of anyone using it. Also not sure how it works with linters like roslynator or stylecop ? This is something I miss very much when coming back from TS, other languages also have better formatters. C# is very tied to editors/IDEs which is a nightmare in teams where…
dotnet format [0] exists and is maintained by the .NET team. It is different from Prettier in that it is much more configurable, but it gets the job done for us. It does integrate language services and can automatically apply code fixes for custom analyzers. I have not explicitly tried roslynator or stylecop, but I suspect this would work as expected. [0] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/dotnet-f..…
> It is different from Prettier in that it is much more configurable
I only tried it briefly but found it was waaay to lenient with the amount of variance in style it left unchanged (eg line breaks for function parameters) - can it get configured to produce consistent formatting like prettier ?