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Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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Bill Gates spoke of this context-aware OS at a lecture in the mid-00s. He specifically called out future phones (this was pre-iPhone era) that would have location context (work/home/mobile) and load secure, sandboxed datastores and profiles depending on that context. He also spoke at length about how desktop computers would transform into accelerators, like your gaming GPU at home or your additional processors and memory at your workstation. It was a grand vision of ultimate portability, with clear lines between work and personal lives enabled through technology.

Then he showed off the Fossil MSN watch, and suggested future iterations may do away with phones entirely and act as methods of identification for digital systems.

And then, like all things Microsoft, they abandoned the concepts entirely. Apple and Google cribbed most of the ideas for themselves in some form or another and saw wild success with them, though to date nobody major has really attempted to create that mobile vision Gates spoke of - other than Maru, and for a time, Google on Android.

It’s a shame, really. I like the idea of validating my public key via NFC from my Apple Watch to login to work machines or my home boxes (a la SSH). Seems like it’d be easier to wrangle in the long run, especially with job hopping being the norm.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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I think Apple would actually be in a position capable of doing this. Slap an M1-4 into an iPhone Case with MacOS. Normally you have an interface like iOS, which shouldn't be hard because iOS is based on MacOS, and when you connect it to a monitor you have normal MacOS. Normal iOS applications need to run on MacOS which I think they already could.

You would just have to allow apps to transform the interface between desktop and mobile or allow both interfaces to access the same data. And for apps that aren't working just show a small windows on the desktop and either disallow opening only-desktop apps on iOS or make everything small and allow zooming.

You could also make something MacBook-like where you connect your phone or slide it into the side.

I think one of the problems here is that Apple then could only sell 1 device to everyone and not potentially three (iPhone, iPad, Mac).

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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There's ideas like this every couple of years, and I love the idea, but they never seem to go anywhere. I think Nokia's Maemo/Meego was the first, and it keeps popping up, but it never seems to go anywhere. I understand this one has been dead for a couple of years now too.

Everywhere I might hook up my phone to a monitor there is already either a preexisting computer hooked up, my laptop with its ultra flat keyboard trackpad combo to hook up, and/or lacking the appropriate back support and table height for me for me to ergonomically use a keyboard and mouse there. This might make sense for someone who travels a lot and wants to work in odd places but the assumption that people can Find…

> This product would have been wildly successful if they just released it as a laptop case for a phone

You mean, this? https://nexdock.com/

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

#54

It's interesting that in the early 2010s, both halves of the ecosystem were talking about "convergence:" Ubuntu wanted to make its Linux render a single column on a handset and with floating windows on a larger screen. Motorola had a similar project based on Android. A dozen years later, nobody has done that well. Ubuntu gave up. Mobile-targeted Linux distributions aren't good (missing functionality, mobile UX, or bo…

> Recent iterations of iOS are getting closer to being able to replace a Mac for a class of tablet-owning users who don't need desktop software, but the ecosystems are pretty well separated for most.

Yeah, apple could solve that instantly.

Sadly, they decided to play a cash cow strategy of milking existing users instead for trying to grow market share.

Apple is so frustrating. Amazing hardware but then they complete shit the bead with the software side of things and act actively hostile against their own users.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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> Simply plug your phone into an HDMI screen, connect up a keyboard and mouse, and you’ve got a lightweight desktop experience you can take anywhere. No, I can't take it anywhere, because few places I go to have a HDMI screen and keyboard ready for me. And to the ones they do, I carry my laptop.

I'm not sure why you neatpick that. I feel the complete opposite. HDMI screens are everywhere. Usb-c ones less but still present. I have a screen at work, with keyboard and USB hub. Same at home. And at most of my friend's homes. I have a screen (tv) in a hotel and flats to rent. I even had one in a cabin recently (use them with tv stick for my kid's shows). I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter tha…

> I struggle to find a place without a HDMI screen waiting for me.

It seems like this comes down to personal experience. I have literally never seen a place I could plug my phone into an HDMI display (even if I had cables for that, which I don't). As such it strikes me as very impractical, but it sounds like your experience has been drastically different so we come to different conclusions.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

#56
This seems like an abandoned project with no updates since 2019 (!!)

Those looking for a more active and stable project: ubports is carrying the torch forward on the convergence front. I have personally used it on my old OnePlus device and it was quite usable.

1: https://ubports.com/

2: https://lomiri.com/

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

#57
This project could achieve this via the following. Project up an alternate screen. Put an “app” on the screen called maruOS projected at external screen resolution. Then get access to your phone storage and maybe to your phone hardware like mic.

Then pretend there is a huge possibility of apps that can run on Maru OS.

But it is Too little too late. Samsung DEX did this. Google is supposed to invent this (again). Everyone has failed. All apps need separate desktop versions to do this work. Essentially they need a second desktop app. This means more ram and more storage and more power.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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> Simply plug your phone into an HDMI screen, connect up a keyboard and mouse, and you’ve got a lightweight desktop experience you can take anywhere. No, I can't take it anywhere, because few places I go to have a HDMI screen and keyboard ready for me. And to the ones they do, I carry my laptop.

The use case for me is mostly hotel stays. When travelling for fun I don't particularly want the weight (and risk) of packing my laptop, but I would like to be able to play movies and music on the hotel TV. With a cheap light keyboard I could also do email and similar light admin things with the benefit of the bigger screen. Until recently I was also travelling frequently for work with a heavy MacBook running a varie…

I tend to bring my AppleTV + HDMI cable with me whenever we travel.

Its small size makes it largely inconsequential from a luggage point of view and it’s already fully set up with all my streaming apps.

It also doesn’t tie up my phone if anyone else wants to watch TV.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

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> Simply plug your phone into an HDMI screen, connect up a keyboard and mouse, and you’ve got a lightweight desktop experience you can take anywhere. No, I can't take it anywhere, because few places I go to have a HDMI screen and keyboard ready for me. And to the ones they do, I carry my laptop.

I'm not sure why you neatpick that. I feel the complete opposite. HDMI screens are everywhere. Usb-c ones less but still present. I have a screen at work, with keyboard and USB hub. Same at home. And at most of my friend's homes. I have a screen (tv) in a hotel and flats to rent. I even had one in a cabin recently (use them with tv stick for my kid's shows). I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter tha…

> I also have an external USB/HDMI screen that is lighter than a laptop

How much lighter is it than say a Surface Go that can run Windows or Linux? If they are about the same then it doesn't make sense to fiddle with Linux on a phone. Comes with a keyboard too.

Re: Maru OS – Use your phone as your PC

#60

This seems like an abandoned project with no updates since 2019 (!!) Those looking for a more active and stable project: ubports is carrying the torch forward on the convergence front. I have personally used it on my old OnePlus device and it was quite usable. 1: https://ubports.com/ 2: https://lomiri.com/

"Maru is built on the latest Android Oreo." That's Android 8.0, from 2017.
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