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Re: Study mode

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Post by tonmoy »

czhu12 wrote: post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

I don’t know what subject you are learning but for circuit design I have failed to get any response out of LLMs that’s not straight from a well known text book chapter that I have already read

Re: Study mode

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Post by vonneumannstan »

The frontier models score better on GPQA than most human PhD in their specific field of expertise. If you walk in to you local University Department(Assuming you don't live in Cambridge, Palo Alto or a few other places) GPT o3 is going to know more about Chemistry, Biology, Physics, etc than basically all the Grad Students there. If you cant turn that model into a useful tutor then thats 100% a skill issue on your part.

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Post by holsta »

gbalduzzi wrote: post #163
holsta wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. We were able to learn before LLMs. Libraries are not a new thing. FidoNet, USENET, IRC, forums, local study/user groups. You have access to all of Wikipedia. Offline, if you want.

Are we really comparing this research to just writing and having a good answer in a couple of seconds? Like, I agree with you and I believe those things will resist and will always be important, but it doesn't really compare in this case. Last week I was in the nature and I saw a cute bird that I didn't know. I asked an AI and got the correct answer in 10 seconds. Of course I would find the answer at the library or b…

There's a gigantic difference between outsourcing your brain to generative AI (LLMs, Stable Diffusion, ..) and pattern recognition that recognises songs, birds, plants or health issues.

Re: Study mode

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Post by d_burfoot »

This is the kind of thing that could have been a decent AI startup - hire some education PhDs, make some deals with school systems, etc.

In the old days of desktop computing, a lot of projects were never started because if you got big enough, Microsoft would just implement the feature as part of Windows. In the more recent days of web computing, a lot of projects were never started, for the same reason, except Google or Facebook instead of Microsoft.

Looks like the AI provider companies are going to fill the same nefarious role in the era of AI computing.

Re: Study mode

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Post by wahnfrieden »

SLWW wrote: post #150
pengstrom wrote: post #100

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The part about history perspectives sounds interesting. I haven't noticed this. Please post any concrete/specific examples you've encountered!

- Rhodesia (lock step with the racial-first reasoning, underplays Britain's failures to support that which they helped establish; makes the colonists look hateful when they were dealing with terrorists which the British supported) - Bombing of Dresden, death stats as well as how long the bombing went on for (Arthur Harris is considered a war-criminal to this day for that; LLLMs highlight easily falsifiable claims by…

You call out that you don’t defend the crusades but are you supportive of Rhodesia?

Re: Study mode

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

czhu12 wrote: post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

> It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange,

It’s called basic research skills - don’t they teach this anymore in high school, let alone college? How ever did we get by with nothing but an encyclopedia or a library catalog?

Re: Study mode

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Post by neutronicus »

vonneumannstan wrote: post #249
no_wizard wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Now, everyone basically has a personal TA, ready to go at all hours of the day This simply hasn't been my experience. Its too shallow. The deeper I go, the less it seems to be useful. This happens quick for me. Also, god forbid you're researching a complex and possibly controversial subject and you want it to find reputable sources or particularly academic ones.

>Its too shallow. The deeper I go, the less it seems to be useful. This happens quick for me. If its a subject you are just learning how can you possibly evaluate this?

If you're a math-y person trying to get up to speed in some other math-y field you can discern useless LLM output pretty quickly even as a relative novice.

Falling apart under pointed questioning, saying obviously false things, etc.

Re: Study mode

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Post by GeoAtreides »

czhu12 wrote: post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

I'll personally attest anecdotes mean little in sound arguments.

When I got stuck on a concept, I wasn't screwed: I read more; books if necessary. StackExchange wasn't my only source.

LLMs are not like TAs, personal or not, in the same way they're not humans. So it then follows we can actually contemplate not using LLMs in formal teaching environments.

Re: Study mode

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Post by bsoles »

Aka cheating mode. Their video literally says "Helps with homework" and proceeds to show the "Final Answer". So much learning...

Re: Study mode

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Post by pyman »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #184
czhu12 wrote: post #26

I'll personally attest: LLM's have been absolutely incredible to self learn new things post graduation. It used to be that if you got stuck on a concept, you're basically screwed. Unless it was common enough to show up in a well formed question on stack exchange, it was pretty much impossible, and the only thing you can really do is keep paving forward and hope at some point, it'll make sense to you. Now, everyone ba…

LLMs are to learning what self driving cars are to transportation. They take you to the destination most of the time. But the problem is that if you use them too much your brain (your legs) undergoes metaphorical atrophy and when you are faced in the position of having to do it on your own, you are worse than you would be had you spent the time using your brain (legs). Learning is great but learning to learn is the r…

This is one of the challenges I see with self-driving cars. Driving requires a high level of cognitive processing to handle changing conditions and potential hazards. So when you drive most of your brain is engaged. The impact self-driving cars are going to have on mental stimulation, situational awareness, and even long-term cognitive health could be bigger than we think, especially if people stop engaging in tasks that keep those parts of the brain active. That said, I love the idea of my car driving me around the city while I play video games.

Regarding LLMs, they can also stimulate thinking if used right.

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