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My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by simonw »

hbn wrote: post #133
falcor84 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come it's "not representative for real engineering"? Other than copy-pasting existing code (which is not what an LLM does), I don't see how you can create a space invaders game without applying "engineering".

The prompt was > Write an HTML and JavaScript page implementing space invaders It may not be "copy pasting" but it's generating output as best it can be recreated from its training on looking at Space Invaders source code. The engineers at Taito that originally developed Space Invaders were not told "make Space Invaders" and then did their best to recall all the source code they've looked at in their life to re-type…

The source code for original Space Invaders from 1978 has never been published. The closest to that is disassembled ROMs.

I used that prompt because it's the shortest possible prompt that tells the model to build a game with a specific set of features. If I wanted to build a custom game I would have had to write a prompt that was many paragraphs longer than that.

The aim of this piece isn't "OMG looks LLMs can build space invaders" - at this point that shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. What's interesting is that my laptop can run a model that is capable of that now.

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by Aurornis »

This is very cool. The blog had to run it from the main branch of the mlx-lm library and a custom script. Can someone up to date on the local LLM tools let us know which mainstream tools we should be watching for an easier way to run this on MLX? The space moves so fast that it's hard to keep up.

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by techwizrd »

genewitch wrote: post #96
NitpickLawyer wrote: post #6

> Two years ago when I first tried LLaMA I never dreamed that the same laptop I was using then would one day be able to run models with capabilities as strong as what I’m seeing from GLM 4.5 Air—and Mistral 3.2 Small, and Gemma 3, and Qwen 3, and a host of other high quality models that have emerged over the past six months. Yes, the open-models have surpassed my expectations in both quality and speed of release. For…

I'll bite. How do i train/make and/or use LoRA, or, separately, how do i fine-tune? I've been asking this for months, and no one has a decent answer. websearch on my end is seo/geo-spam, with no real instructions. I know how to make an SD LoRA, and use it. I've known how to do that for 2 years. So what's the big secret about LLM LoRA?

We have been fine-tuning models using Axolotl and Unsloth, with a slight preference for Axolotl. Check out the docs [0] and fine-tune or quantize your first model. There is a lot to be learned in this space, but it's exciting.

0: https://axolotl.ai/ and https://docs.axolotl.ai/

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by xrd »

simonw wrote: post #25
neutronicus wrote: post #22

If I understand correctly, the author is managing to run this model on a laptop with 64GB of RAM? So a home workstation with 64GB+ of RAM could get similar results?

Only if that RAM is available to a GPU, or you're willing to tolerate extremely slow responses. The neat thing about Apple Silicon is the system RAM is available to the GPU. On most other systems you would need ~48GB of VRAM.

Aren't there non-Macos laptops which also support sharing the VRAM and regular RAM, i.e. iGPU?

https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLaptops/comments/1akj5aw/what...

I personally want to run linux and feel like I'll get a better price/GB offering that way. But, it is confusing to know how local models will actually work on those and the drawbacks of iGPU.

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by simonw »

Aurornis wrote: post #142

This is very cool. The blog had to run it from the main branch of the mlx-lm library and a custom script. Can someone up to date on the local LLM tools let us know which mainstream tools we should be watching for an easier way to run this on MLX? The space moves so fast that it's hard to keep up.

I expect LM Studio will have this pretty soon - I imagine they are waiting on the next stable release of mlx-lm which will include the change I needed to get this to work.

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by righthand »

Did you understand the implementation or just that it produced a result?

I would hope an LLM could spit out a cobbled form of answer to a common interview question.

Today a colleague presented data changes and used an LLM to build a display app for the JSON for presentation. Why did they not just pipe the JSON into our already working app that displays this data?

People around me for the most part are using LLMs to enhance their presentations, not to actually implement anything useful. I have been watching my coworkers use it that way for months.

Another example? A different coworker wanted to build a document macro to perform bulk updates on courseware content. Swapping old words for new words. To build the macro they first wrote a rubrick to prompt an LLM correctly inside of a word doc.

That filled rubrik is then used to generate a program template for the macro. To define the requirements for the macro the coworker then used a slideshow slide to list bullet points of functionality, in this case to Find+Replace words in courseware slides/documents using a list of words from another text document. Due to the complexity of the system, I can’t believe my colleague saved any time. The presentation was interesting though and that is what they got compliments on.

However the solutions are absolutely useless for anyone else but the implementer.

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by cchance »

quantumHazer wrote: post #13
AlexeyBrin wrote: post #5

Most likely its training data included countless Space Invaders in various programming languages.

and probably some synthetic data are generated copy of the games already on the dataset? i have this feeling with LLM's generated react frontend, they all look the same

Have you used the internet? thats how the internet looks, their all fuckin react and the same layouts and styles 90% shadcn lol

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by whimsicalism »

kelvinjps10 wrote: post #86
diggan wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what? It's really hard to say what model is "generally" better then another, as they're all better/worse at specific things. My own benchmarks has a bunch of different tasks I use various local models for, and I run it when I wanna see if a new model is better than the existing ones I use. The output is basically a markdown table with a description of which model is best for what task. They're being sold as gener…

coding? they are coding models? what specific tasks is one performing better than the other?

glm 4.5 is not a coding model

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by JKCalhoun »

indigodaddy wrote: post #127

Did pretty well with a boggle clone. I like that it tries to do a single html file (I didn't ask for that but was pleasantly surprised). It didn't include dictionary validation so needed a couple of prompts. Touch selection on mobile isn't the greatest but I've seen plenty worse https://chat.z.ai/space/z0gcn6qtu8s1-art https://chat.z.ai/s/74fe4ddc-f528-4d21-9405-0a8b15a96520

Cool — if only diagonals were easier. ;-) (Hopefully I'm being constructive here.)

Re: My 2.5 year old laptop can write Space Invaders in JavaScript now (GLM-4.5 Air)

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Post by aplzr »

I really like talking to Claude (free tier) instead of using a search engine when I'm stumbling upon a random topic that interests me. For example, this morning I had it explain the differences between pass by value, pass by reference, and pass by sharing, the last of which I wasn't aware of until then.

Is this kind of thing also possible with one of these self-hosted models in a comparable way, or are they mostly good for coding?

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