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Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by pritambaral »

bobajeff wrote: post #201
barkingcat wrote: post #105

There's also the Eclipse VScode-look-alike-reimplementation called TheiaIDE https://theia-ide.org/ It was rough a few years ago, but nowadays it's pretty nice. TI rebuilt their Code Composer Studio using Theia so it does have some larger users. It has LSP support and the same Monaco editor backend - which is all I need. It's VSCode-with-an-Eclipse-feel to it - which might or might not be your cup of tea, but it's an…

The feature that keeps me from moving off of vscode is their markdown support. In particular the ability to drag and drop to insert links to files and images *. Surprisingly, no other editor does this even though I use it all the time. * https://code.visualstudio.com/Docs/languages/markdown#_inser...

Interesting.

I belong to the class of people who believe in customising their tools as they please. So I'd have written an Emacs package to do this. But then again, this is Emacs, so someone's probably already done it. Oh, here it is: https://github.com/mooreryan/markdown-dnd-images

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by macintux »

fsflover wrote: post #366
ragequittah wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not nihilism. I still ad block, use an RFID wallet, and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything. But at some point when something is so ridiculously useful and the data they're getting doesn't really mean much of anything I have to stop caring. I use Windows 11 (gross) because it lets me play video games with my friends I can't otherwise. I use Uber because it lets me get across town…

> and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything And yet you are fine with personalized telemetry from Google on your PC? This is self-contradictory.

In fairness, as others have pointed out, the phone is much more personal than the home computer. Your phone is almost always with you, collecting much more intimate data than your PC can.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by nomel »

Capricorn2481 wrote: post #244
nomel wrote: post #152

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> includes PII - the IP address of the sender Apple provides telemetry services that strips the IP before providing it to the app owners. Routing like this requires trust (just as a VPN does), but it's feasible.

You said it's different from spying because there is no PII in the information. Now you're saying it's different because it's not given to app owners. Why is it relevant whether they provide it to app owners directly? The issue people have is the information is logged now and abused later, in whatever form.

Which has clear logically consistency, at the app owner level, which is the context of my reply.

If the app owner can't obtain PII, I don't believe the app owner is spying.

Is Apple spying?

> Routing like this requires trust

It depends on if you trust them, and their privacy policy. If they're functioning as a PII stripping proxy, as they claim, then I would claim no, to the extent of what's technically possible. I would also claim that a trustworthy VPN is not spying on you. YOMV.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by fsflover »

macintux wrote: post #372
fsflover wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything And yet you are fine with personalized telemetry from Google on your PC? This is self-contradictory.

In fairness, as others have pointed out, the phone is much more personal than the home computer. Your phone is almost always with you, collecting much more intimate data than your PC can.

This not always true, at least not for me. I trust my laptop with disabled Intel ME running Qubes OS much more than my phone.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by macintux »

fsflover wrote: post #374
macintux wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fairness, as others have pointed out, the phone is much more personal than the home computer. Your phone is almost always with you, collecting much more intimate data than your PC can.

This not always true, at least not for me. I trust my laptop with disabled Intel ME running Qubes OS much more than my phone.

I didn't say the phone was more trusted, I said it was more personal.

Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting. It knows who calls you, who you call, who you message.

The laptop may know some of that, but it doesn't have the same sensors, and doesn't stay with you most times you leave the house.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by fsflover »

macintux wrote: post #375
fsflover wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This not always true, at least not for me. I trust my laptop with disabled Intel ME running Qubes OS much more than my phone.

I didn't say the phone was more trusted, I said it was more personal. Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting. It knows who calls you, who you call, who you message. The laptop may know some of that, but it doesn't have the same sensors, and doesn't stay with you most times you leave the house.

> Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting

Indeed, it's true for most people, but I use Librem 5 with hardware kill switches for modem, sensors etc.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by rs186 »

Biganon wrote: post #200
rs186 wrote: post #114

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Eh, I don't know how you could tell it is "obvious" "spyware", unless you are referring to the fact that it comes from Bytedance.

The mere fact that disabling telemetry does not at all disable telemetry is enough for it to be called spyware.

That's only after you read this article. The question is how do you know it's spyware even before you install it. At least it's not clear for me from github README file that I would be knowningly installing spyware.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by ragequittah »

fsflover wrote: post #376
macintux wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say the phone was more trusted, I said it was more personal. Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting. It knows who calls you, who you call, who you message. The laptop may know some of that, but it doesn't have the same sensors, and doesn't stay with you most times you leave the house.

> Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting Indeed, it's true for most people, but I use Librem 5 with hardware kill switches for modem, sensors etc.

I think the thing you neglect when having setups like this is that you start to garner interest from law enforcement if they ever come across you. You're trying so hard to cover your tracks that you stand out very clearly in a crowd.

There's a middle ground between living deep in the woods without windows and walking around naked in public.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by ethan1990 »

happycodinggg wrote: post #367
ethan1990 wrote: post #358

It’s honestly kind of funny — you got timed out by Discord’s automod and now you’re running around calling it “suppression of technical discussion.” lol. Don't be dramatic. There's a wave of crypto spam before, so the automod timeout often catches lots of bots and people. I remember even community mods have been timed out before.

really? I saw him added later today that he was muted by AutoMod. Wondering if the whole “censorship” thing is true

That’s fake news. If you check the GitHub issue and actually visit the Trae community, you’ll see the truth.

The community mod already told him the real reason — it was triggered by the keyword “token”, which has been flagged due to repeated crypto bot spam in the past. But instead, he deliberately claimed it was because of the word “track,” and framed a basic anti-spam automod as “censorship” and “punishment.”

https://github.com/segmentationf4u1t/trae_telemetry_research...

It honestly feels like an attention grab. That kind of intentional misrepresentation is pretty dishonest. And if you check the message history, he was actively chatting in the group before — no one was silencing him.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by ethan1990 »

efitz wrote: post #72

Two thoughts: 1. Try using pi-hole to block those particular endpoints via making DNS resolution fail; see if it still works if it can’t access the telemetry endpoints. 2. Their ridiculous tracking, disregard of the user preference to not send telemetry, and behavior on the Discord when you mentioned tracking says everything you need to know about the company. You cannot change them. If you don’t want to be tracked,…

I can’t really speak to the DNS blocking approach you mentioned, but as a regular user in the Trae community, I do want to clarify one thing:

The Discord timeout occurred because anti-ads automod was triggered by crypto-related keywords. I saw the community moderator already explained.

I hope you can know the truth rather than be misled.

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