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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by sudopluto »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #747
sudopluto wrote: post #702

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The Germans did, because they love their children more than they hate their enemies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German...

actually they didn't https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm they heil-hitler-hamased to the bitter end. They just had a working state with working institutions that carried on, prussian, protestant bureaucracy carrying on even after the die hard nazis had died out. Islamic culture is unable to produce these institutions .

I mean I was trying to show that the Germans don't suicide bomb busses in Kaliningrad even after their own much worse version of the Nakba. In general, most losers of wars, especially of wars of aggression that they themselves started, don't spend then next century suicide bombing and turning down deals that they deem beneath them. They take what they can get and get on with their lives, being productive and improving the future for their children.

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

asdefghyk wrote: post #212
calmbonsai wrote: post #11

IDF fired on World Central Kitchen workers April of 2024 so this, sadly, isn't surprising. At least more and more video is, finally, coming out vividly capturing these atrocities.

Need to be careful here ... apparently Hamas in control of convey .... ".... At the WCK Welcome Centre, locally-contracted security personnel got on and into the trucks and the convoy continued the journey to the warehouse. As the trucks moved away from the Welcome Centre, one locallycontracted security person on top of the trailer of the third truck fired his weapon into the air. This was clearly visible in the UAV…

You see an aid convoy - which you are 100% certain is a legitimate aid convoy, because they communicated with you - being escorted by armed security, and your response is to bomb the aid convoy? In what world is that justified?

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

sudopluto wrote: post #704
4gotunameagain wrote: post #698

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After all these atrocities, even with Hamas completely gone the hatred for Israel will remain. This war will not stop, only pause. Imagine all the kids that are growing up in Gaza now, witnessing so much pain, misery and death. How on earth could they forgive Israel, especially as it continues to invade and occupy their territories ?

The Germans did, because they love their children more than they hate their enemies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German...

These are very, very different situations. You are comparing nations and cultures that have be living side by side for thousands of years to a 77 year old state (Israel) occupying territory that has been Palestinean for thousands of years.

Israel and Ozzy Osbourne were born on the same year. People that were born after Ozzy, can no longer return to their birthplace, because it is now Israel and they are besieged in Gaza.

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Post by Zacharias030 »

trustinmenowpls wrote: post #473
YZF wrote: post #446

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I'll give you my honest opinion here and a criticism of Israeli government all at once. Israel should have moved the Palestinians civilians into Israel proper, e.g. the Negev. It should have created refugee camps for them there and provided them with all the support/aid while it went after Hamas. They'd be able to filter the people going in, make them surrender their weapons etc. No tunnels, no weapons caches, etc. I…

If they had done this they would be accused of ethnic cleansing as well as genocide. the negev isn't an altogether welcoming place, any death natural or otherwise that happened there would be blamed on the jews as proof and it would be an even bigger PR disaster. Egypt and the sinai would have a similar problem. Even Trump's recent suggestion of temporary resettlement to a populated area has been met with calls of et…

This war was always going to go exactly as long as Israel wanted to prolong it and nothing else stands in the way of this stopping.

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

sudopluto wrote: post #702
4gotunameagain wrote: post #691

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You are framing it as if the problem is Hamas and the existence of Hamas. Isn't the existence of Hamas only strengthened by the war, by the actions of Israel ? I would argue that the October 7 attack was highly beneficial for the expansionist plans of Israel. Highly beneficial for Netanyahu, who now can stay in power under martial law instead of fearing prosecution for his previous crimes. Hamas will not magically ce…

The Germans did, because they love their children more than they hate their enemies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German...

These are very, very different situations. You are comparing nations and cultures that have be living side by side for thousands of years to a 77 year old state (Israel) occupying territory that has been Palestinean for thousands of years.

Israel and Ozzy Osbourne were born on the same year. People that were born after Ozzy, can no longer return to their birthplace, because it is now Israel and they are besieged in Gaza.

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Post by saagarjha »

josephg wrote: post #468
giraffe_lady wrote: post #290

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It was clear to me and many other people from the first days after oct 7 that the actions taken by israel in gaza did not align with their stated goals, and that genocide was the likely outcome. I hope people changing their view of it now will reflect on at what point they could have seen that, and what prevented them from seeing it, and what prevented them from taking seriously the people who did see it. Does everyo…

Oh? Help me understand this position. If you were in charge of Israel on October 7, what would you have done differently? It sounds like there was some better course of action they could have taken that seems obvious to you. It’s not at all obvious to me. Please share.

Maybe I would make a bad political leader but I think that responding to terrorism with total war is a bad strategy.

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Post by dominicrose »

rixed wrote: post #556
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #190

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you say "many" but other than "fotzenfrize" Merz who declared this?

France apparently allowed several times the suspect to fly over its territory without arresting him, for instance.

France has a deep history and Macron doesn't want to do anything except raise the defense budget, because that's the best way to avoid problems: condemn violence but don't participate and stay alert.

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Post by jahewson »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #588
jahewson wrote: post #493

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Nonsense. UN peacekeepers are observers deployed with the consent of both parties. They are not sent into active combat zones. There is literally a genocide in Sudan right now with 25 million in extreme hunger. At least half a million children are dead. Yet we hear hardly any mention of it.

Sudan is in the news literally every day. But yeah, sadly, the world has never cared about Africa and the many who die there.

I see no Sudan flags on campus. No Sudan marches in the streets. No Sudan emojis in people’s Twitter handles. No solidarity with Sudan at music festivals.

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Post by sudopluto »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #766
sudopluto wrote: post #702

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Germans did, because they love their children more than they hate their enemies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_German...

These are very, very different situations. You are comparing nations and cultures that have be living side by side for thousands of years to a 77 year old state (Israel) occupying territory that has been Palestinean for thousands of years. Israel and Ozzy Osbourne were born on the same year. People that were born after Ozzy, can no longer return to their birthplace, because it is now Israel and they are besieged in G…

Not really Palestinian to be fair. Jewish, Greek, Roman, Islamic, Ottoman, and finally British, in that order. Palestinians then started a war of aggression to prevent the establishment of a Jewish state, and then lost that war. You can not lose what you never had. If you want to talk about occupying, why is the al-aqsa mosque built where it was, if not for trying to erase native ties to the land?
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