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Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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At that level of competition, just keep xraying bikes so it can't become an issue? Drug testing is privacy invasive, having your bike xrayed isn't if you're not cheating.

I understand that thermal imaging cameras can pick up anomalies in the frame where the motors are housed during the race.

Not really for a small motor cooled by the frame. The bikes are IR reflective too.

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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post #16

I am definitely a layperson when it comes to organized sports, but from my POV it seems like competitive cycling attracts WAY more fraud/cheating/doping/etc. than many other kinds of sports. At least I have heard about it a lot more. I wonder why that is.

It's very hard to tell because the true rate of doping is not known. We just know about who we catch (or very questionable survey results) which are skewed by the resources available for testing and the resources available for hiding doping. Competitive cycling is more popular than many sports, so it gets a lot of attention and effort on both. Cycling was also at the center of the explosion of EPO use between the 199…

When will the average person benefit from all the interesting performance enhancing drugs that have been secretly developed?

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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post #43
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I replied directly to OP, but applies here as well. Cycling is far more specialized than other sports so the pay off for doping is greater.

Why is pay off greater in cycling than other sports? Salary of the top riders? Compared to say NBA players, pro cyclist make relatively little. Tadej Pogacar (best and top paid cyclist) makes about $8M (euros) in salary per year. Steph Curry (highest paid) NBA player makes $55M (dollars) in salary per year.

The "pay off" the commenter is talking about is the results in the sport, not the monetary gain. Cyclists are like the engines in an F1 car. Not saying there is no skill involved, but any skill differences are irrelevant if the other guy is putting out 100W more than you over 200km. So it really comes down to raw power to weight ratio.

That's not the same in basketball or most other sports. You can't just jump on gear, lift weights and suddenly become Michael Jordan. Plenty of people could beat Pogacar if they could use anything they could, though, just like manufacturers could build an F1 car that would dominate every race if they could circumvent the rules.

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very hard to tell because the true rate of doping is not known. We just know about who we catch (or very questionable survey results) which are skewed by the resources available for testing and the resources available for hiding doping. Competitive cycling is more popular than many sports, so it gets a lot of attention and effort on both. Cycling was also at the center of the explosion of EPO use between the 199…

When will the average person benefit from all the interesting performance enhancing drugs that have been secretly developed?

Medical uses typically come before any performance enhancing ones.

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very hard to tell because the true rate of doping is not known. We just know about who we catch (or very questionable survey results) which are skewed by the resources available for testing and the resources available for hiding doping. Competitive cycling is more popular than many sports, so it gets a lot of attention and effort on both. Cycling was also at the center of the explosion of EPO use between the 199…

When will the average person benefit from all the interesting performance enhancing drugs that have been secretly developed?

No can do, that would be bad for coca cola and starbucks sales.

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very hard to tell because the true rate of doping is not known. We just know about who we catch (or very questionable survey results) which are skewed by the resources available for testing and the resources available for hiding doping. Competitive cycling is more popular than many sports, so it gets a lot of attention and effort on both. Cycling was also at the center of the explosion of EPO use between the 199…

When will the average person benefit from all the interesting performance enhancing drugs that have been secretly developed?

Generally, never. Because any small change in chemistry is something that evolution is very effective at picking up. Which means that if there is a simple intervention that improves performance, there is always a good reason why nature hasn't already given it to you. In the case of EPO, it's significantly increased risk of blood clots and blood pressure related conditions.

Re: Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very hard to tell because the true rate of doping is not known. We just know about who we catch (or very questionable survey results) which are skewed by the resources available for testing and the resources available for hiding doping. Competitive cycling is more popular than many sports, so it gets a lot of attention and effort on both. Cycling was also at the center of the explosion of EPO use between the 199…

When will the average person benefit from all the interesting performance enhancing drugs that have been secretly developed?

I prolonged the life of my terminally ill dog using EPO. It wasn't exotic or expensive. Probably that means it's already in wide use for humans, too.
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