Misleading clickbait in that headline. There will be a deliberation on the proposal, scheduled for October, they even acknowledge this in the article.
The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
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#52"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.
"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die" Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majority of the EU states were actually always for, but a blocking minority has been reached each time - barely so. Worryingly, one of the blocking minority countries used to be Germany, where privacy-minded smaller parties (Greens, FDP) are no longer in government. T…
Can you link to some info on what countries voted for or against previous attempts at this?
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but this is the same thing as saying "America is going to paint all birds orange" just because one person in the Iowa General House Assembly said we should do it. Awareness is good but there is a fine line between awareness of specific politicians that suck and just misrepresenting the facts.
OK, I’ll bite. What reason would there be to paint every bird orange?
Making the surveilance drones (they aren't really birds) more obvious and more conforming to the prison states of america branding. ;)
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but this is the same thing as saying "America is going to paint all birds orange" just because one person in the Iowa General House Assembly said we should do it. Awareness is good but there is a fine line between awareness of specific politicians that suck and just misrepresenting the facts.
OK, I’ll bite. What reason would there be to paint every bird orange?
There isnt. Its a crazy example of what is happening here.
To use a real world example take this "EU deal" that Trump did. Everyone is talking like its already taken effect. But the reality is the EU just handshake agreed to this, but at the end of the day all of the member states have to rattify it. And if states dont or if there are arguements made the whole thing gets tossed.
I just wish people would say that they dont understand how the EU works. At some point some Dutch mayor is going to say that the inernet should be free, and "tech journalists" are going to write articles talking about how all EU citizens will have Fibre cables connected to them at all times.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
"not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die" Not true. The truth is that Chat Control has returned several times already and the majority of the EU states were actually always for, but a blocking minority has been reached each time - barely so. Worryingly, one of the blocking minority countries used to be Germany, where privacy-minded smaller parties (Greens, FDP) are no longer in government. T…
Can you link to some info on what countries voted for or against previous attempts at this?
This guy has been doing a lot of lifting on the fight against Chat Control:
https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/
Take a look across his page and his social network media, he had nice maps for each round, so hopefully they are still there.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know, I've been on the Internet 20+ years and have been to some shady corners of it... but nowhere seems to have such a CSAM problem as Matrix and its friends apparently do. Why would that be?
I've seen it on the fediverse. Thanks to fediverse servers copying images to a local cache the moment something gets posted, hundreds or even thousands of servers started mirroring child porn because one dickhead liked to see the world burn. My guess is that the source of the problem is that you can easily sign up for a service if it doesn't validate your phone number like every other messenger with a decent followin…
> My guess is that the source of the problem is that you can easily sign up for a service if it doesn't validate your phone number like every other messenger with a decent following does.
This is still relatively new and it's not as ubiquitous as say email verification. So I don't see that as being a primary cause of whatever the underlying issue is. Not to mention, I have to imagine it's never been easier to acquire phone numbers to abuse.
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#57Why does this stupid idea have to be killed so many times? Being watched constantly means living in fear, but seeing it almost become legally mandated practice over and over again is itself a form of living in fear. I'm so tired.
It was more misunderstood than stupid.
Ironically when Apple introduced their solution it was actually better than what we have now. It was interesting to watch people lose their minds because they didn't understand how the current or proposed system worked.
Current system everything can be decrypted on the cloud and is scanned for CSAM by all ISPs/service providers.
Apple wanted the device to scan for CSAM and if it got flagged, it allowed the file to be decrypted on the cloud for a human to check it (again, what happens now).
If it didn't get flagged then it stayed encrypted on the cloud and no one could look at it. This not only was a better protection for your data, it has a massive reduction in server costs.
CSAM is also a list of hashes for some of the worst CP video/images out there. It doesn't read anything, just hash matching.
The chance of mismatch is so incredibly small to be almost non-existent.
Even so the current CSAM guidelines require a human to review the results and require multiple hits before you are even flagged. Again this is what is happening now.
Personally I'm against having any agency the ability to read private messages, while at the same time I fully agree with what CSAM is trying to do.
Realistically if countries want to read encrypted messages, they can already do so. Some do too. The fact that the EU is debating it is a good thing.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#58"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.
People should learn about crying wolf, but they never do.
Crying wolf implies there is no wolf.
Here the wolf is clearly visible.
Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025
#59"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.
There are constant attempts to undermine our rights. Every state has their political figures that try to push things like that and they would have succeeded (more) if there wasn't so much public backlash. They continue to try though. What you are describing is a good example of the preparedness paradox.
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#60I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?
It really depends on the "use case." Regulators are primarily concerned about grooming, which involves criminals using apps that teenagers frequent.
Also, criminals usually have poor operational security—far from perfect. The seriousness of the offense isn't related to the quality of their opsec.
Regulators and law enforcement are generally rational. They may be short-sighted, but they often have reasonable explanations for things you might dismiss as stupid.
That sucks, CSAM sucks, emotional regulation sucks, and as a society, we don't know how to manage allowing kids online. In fact we don't even know, what we'd like. From a political/policy standpoint, that's the challenge of the next 20 years.