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The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.

They haven't passed this yet, because every time people make noise and write their representatives. It's "clickbait" like this that makes any sort of privacy still possible.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

#23

I am ambivalent about news like this. On one hand it is a terrible proposal that deserves exposure to generate pushback. On the other hand it is still just a proposal , of which there are many (stupid ones) which never see the light of day. This still needs to pass the European Parliament (which is generally opposed to this, not in the least because it is very unpopular under EU citizens). Even then the chances of it…

If you don't fight proposals because they're "just proposals" you pretty much give up

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

#24

"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.

Promoting awareness of an upcoming scam is good.

It keeps us aware of how stupid the powers that be are.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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post #4

it seems it is the general Zeitgeist in Europe. Also in Switzerland and generally erosions of Privacy laws all across the continent. The governments are scared of insurgencies from the right, from the left, from immigrants, from foreign nations. Paranoia and fear are quite prominent.

The way you described it, Europe sounds almost like Imperium from 40k.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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post #8

> Fast-forward to February 2025, Poland tried to find a better compromise by making the scanning of encrypted chats voluntary instead of mandatory and classified as "prevention." Okay hear me out, for public or semi public chats, having a tool to force content scans to prevent people randomly posting csam into the channel might be an idea worth considering. Ask any Matrix Admin about that issue...

You know, I've been on the Internet 20+ years and have been to some shady corners of it... but nowhere seems to have such a CSAM problem as Matrix and its friends apparently do. Why would that be?

I've seen it on the fediverse. Thanks to fediverse servers copying images to a local cache the moment something gets posted, hundreds or even thousands of servers started mirroring child porn because one dickhead liked to see the world burn.

My guess is that the source of the problem is that you can easily sign up for a service if it doesn't validate your phone number like every other messenger with a decent following does. If XMPP gained popularity again outside of corporate networks that use it without knowing, we'd also see it there, probably.

Matrix also seems to have gathered a following in the particularly unsavoury parts of a few *chan websites which probably doesn't help.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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post #24

"the EU wants to scan your messages" implies its every member state and not one freak from Denmark putting this forward where it will die. The EU has always been 90 days from passing mass surveliance for the last decade. Until member states start actually backing this these articles are nothing but click bait.

Promoting awareness of an upcoming scam is good. It keeps us aware of how stupid the powers that be are.

Normalizing it and saying it is a mundane topic 30 years is actually helping these powers to install it, like getting tired over time and ending just accepting it. The reaction should be much stronger from the tech companies but the tech companies are actually supporters of it, just so they can continue hoarding money while violating other laws.

-> Discord/Google/Meta/etc are already scanning the private chats for pictures, and they didn't wait for a law.

To fix pedophiles, supporters of terrorism and gang members, there is a more radical solution: fund justice and police so dangerous people can be put in jail (or kill them if that's something you think is right).

Once this is done, there is no need anymore to monitor conversations outside of current scope.

Though, justice is not fair in practice, so there will be collateral innocent victims (like with privacy invasion) :/

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

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I just don't get it - criminals will just continue to use "real" encryption. Why are some of these people so obsessed with reading everyone's chats?

It is not about "the criminals", it is about control. They want you to self-censor "wrongthink" in any space.

The rise of totalitairianism in the EU is very real.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

#29
With this topic constantly emerging from the authorities, it feels like in the end they will succeed. Money and power always win, to some extent. At least on the official level. But this will lead to those who don't agree to form their own places to communicate securely. The people in power obviously don't want THEIR chats to be scanned, so there will be a safe haven. Just like with tax evaders. But I guess those who care about privacy and security will be considered as potential criminals.

Re: The EU could be scanning your chats by October 2025

#30

I am ambivalent about news like this. On one hand it is a terrible proposal that deserves exposure to generate pushback. On the other hand it is still just a proposal , of which there are many (stupid ones) which never see the light of day. This still needs to pass the European Parliament (which is generally opposed to this, not in the least because it is very unpopular under EU citizens). Even then the chances of it…

Only needs to succeed once. It only takes some incapable judges, who don't have any idea how encryption works, and of those I am certain there are many. Once such a thing gets through, it would take time to be reversed, if at all possible.

Whoever puts forth such ideas should be the first to show all their private communication. It shouldn't just be for the common citizens. How quickly the idea would be dropped ...

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