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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by goatlover »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #385
beepbopboopp wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This, but further more, there are 100s of comments about "the genocide" here, but almost none about what Israel should do. They have a neighbor who just committed a huge act of terror and whos standing installed political party calls for the elimination of the country. They live in a region where their ethnic group has essentially been wiped out systematically in all neighboring countries. So, "Stop the genocide" and…

I’m having trouble distilling the essence of your message in a way that leaves us with any common moral ground. Would you agree that “an eye for an eye” type justice is undesirable? Because it seems like you are advocating for genocide as a response to the oct attack, going well beyond “eye for an eye”!

Defeating your enemy before they can launch another deadly attack is a lot different than genocide or ethnic cleansing. Jesus was talking about personal relationships in that saying, he wasn't running a government or military. Presumably he had a different view on what should happen to the Roman occupiers when the Kingdom of God came, as can be seen in other parts of the Jewish and Christian scriptures.

The problem is Israel treated the entire Gaza population as indiscriminately sheltering Hamas, partly because Netanyahu retains power by keeping conflicts going, and party because the right-wing Jewish extremists want to claim all the land.

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Post by NomDePlum »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Dropping 500+ lbs indiscriminately on civilian populations does not need new data.

War crimes have been perpetrated from extremely early on. What's happening now is just a continuation of what was happening at the start. It's better that there is some change but lots of groups, politicians and countries cannot expect genocide to be forgotten.

Realistically we are nowhere close to any of this being resolved or even stopped so I'm not even sure there is anything yet changed.

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Post by viccis »

Spooky23 wrote: post #449
unwise-exe wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel's response was obvious as soon as the attack happened. "Oh, looks like they've got that excuse they've been wanting."

There’s a case that it was darker than that. The IDF is arguably the best army of its type in the world. Yet the level of incompetence demonstrated when Hamas took the hostages was beyond incompetence. A retired general hopped in his car and rounded up a bunch of troops to extract his daughter. No officers were present in the area. It seems weird that a military that had 3D mapping and monitoring of a region allowing…

>It seems weird that a military that had 3D mapping and monitoring of a region allowing it to detect and target concealed Hezbollah artillery in buildings somehow was caught flat footed. It’s weirder that there hasn’t been any commentary about this in an age where every decision made is analyzed to death.

Yeah. "Weird." Kinda like how it was weird that a music festival was moved to be next to a military base that was the target of an operation that one of the greatest signals intelligence powers in the world "didn't know about" over a couple of years of planning.

Weird that the IDF moved into the crowd instead of evacuating the festival. Weird that there were photos of massive numbers of bombed out cars that were disposed of before any forensics could happen. Kinda weird that IDF copters and tanks opened fire indiscriminately (or, sometimes, targeting Israelis due to Hannibal doctrine).

Really "weird" operation all around. Seems like it really didn't have to happen the way it did.

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Post by westpfelia »

orbisvicis wrote: post #433

What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?

the GHF is a IDF front pure and simple. They get to control food going in. They get to blame "surges" at food lines for why the IDF had to open fire with tanks. Its all a farce.

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Post by breppp »

scotty79 wrote: post #597
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #557

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Israel has been an apartheid state for decades. This has nothing to do with Hamas. Anyone who is "changing their mind" now, hasn't - it's merely no longer socially acceptable to support naked indiscriminate brutality.

How can it be apartheid state with 1/5th of its population being non-Jewish and having strong anti-discrimination laws? They don't count people living in Gaza and West-Bank who want and/or try to kill them as their own and why would they? What "being apartheid state" even means?

if it can be an occupation with no troops on the ground, a genocide with no meaningful way to destroy a people, colonialism by the original inhabitants and not motivated by capitalism, it surely could be apartheid without racism and with equal rights

words have no meaning, only emotion

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Post by misja111 »

saneshark wrote: post #660

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Ok I'm by no means a fan of what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza, but I'll play the Devil's advocate here.

- those missiles targeting those Iranian scientists caused more casualties than just the scientists

- those 60,000 Palestinians were not all innocent. Sure, most were, but a substantial percentage of them were Hamas fighters

Again, I don't agree with Israel's approach and in particular not the targeted starvation of the Gaza population, but it's good to keep all facts straight.

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Post by ismail »

mjevans wrote: post #423
carefulfungi wrote: post #258

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Then what does winning actually look like today? Sure. Run against these people and support their political opposition in the next election. But take the win on the short term and get food to Gaza.

Think about it from a logical perspective. Israel's real enemy won't stop and won't surrender until that country and it's people don't exist. They have taken the innocent civilian's of Gaza / Palistine / whatever you want to call the area hostage. They are also so ingrained into the region that resources are literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like hospitals into deep tunnels beneath; as just one example of re…

Think about it from a logical perspective.

Apartheid South Africa’s real enemy—the ANC, the liberation movements, the “terrorists”—wouldn’t stop and wouldn’t surrender until white minority rule and its entire system didn’t exist. They had taken the innocent Black civilians of South Africa hostage. They were also so ingrained into the townships that resources were literally siphoned from humanitarian sites like churches and schools into hidden safehouses and underground networks; as just one example of reporting that many at the time were inclined to believe was credible, even with the mutual atrocities both sides were carrying out.

What would “winning” look like from a moral and ethical standpoint? Liberating the people of that region from the violence and suffering. Returning them to a “functioning society” with social and civic infrastructure. Fully denying major resistance and insurgency in the region for lifetimes—to the point that the hate and anger finally cooled off enough for people to “move on.”

Winning would require a multi-generational investment in humanity by humanity. It would require the buy-in of the people on the ground. It would require a United Nations coalition and boots on the ground from “responsible” countries who wanted to raise everyone above the hate. And of course, South Africa would need to be an absolute DMZ for that entire time—no armed liberation movements allowed, only peacekeeping forces sanctioned by the “international community.”

Getting from here to there? Even less popular than the hugely unpopular interventions elsewhere in the world. Don’t ask me how anyone could do it—those skilled in the art of diplomacy had tried for longer than my lifetime and probably longer than yours, and NOTHING had stuck. ———

wait; that’s not what it took.

It took the abolishment of apartheid; colonisation and oppression, peace was achieved. Your framing is flawed , it is framed as equal sides. Not the reality a colonial apartheid state.

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Post by rixed »

zahlman wrote: post #552
rixed wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If didn't downvote nor flag, but wanted to help you clarify your misunderstanding. The vast majority of people across the world is in favour of the end of bombing and segregation, and against the regime that perpetuate it, if only because of empathy alone. And HN does indeed reflects this to some extent. What the OP was alluding to when he said that pro palestinian view points were silenced is the more or less dissim…

>The vast majority of people across the world is in favour of the end of bombing and segregation Should you not feel the need to evidence this? > the more or less dissimulated support for the war and systematically misleading depiction of the situation in the mainstream news. First, I don't see why I should conclude that that's what the comment was about. The part I quoted was: > I, for one, am thankful this hasn't b…

Evidence for "the vast majority of people across the world ...etc":

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-peop...

Notice that the question asked by this poll was a bit stronger than my claim (I believe one is more likelly to be in favor of the end of bombing than against Israel because advocating for peace is less damaging for one's reputation than voicing a more political stance, whatever that is).

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