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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by TFYS »

beepbopboopp wrote: post #492
droopyEyelids wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m having trouble distilling the essence of your message in a way that leaves us with any common moral ground. Would you agree that “an eye for an eye” type justice is undesirable? Because it seems like you are advocating for genocide as a response to the oct attack, going well beyond “eye for an eye”!

Boiling it down to a catch phrase does it no justice. The war is being fought in a urban area, with an armed forced who refuses ceasefire and has repeatedly said it wont rest until all isrealis are dead. Again, my comment is, if you want them to stop fighting, what would you have them do next? Im not being rhetorical.

> said it wont rest until all isrealis are dead

You would say the same about any group that did the same things to you as the Israeli have done to Palestinians. Answer this: will these actions by Israel decrease or increase the number of people who think that way? Even if they kill all the Palestinians and get rid of the threat in Gaza, they'll just create more, deeper and stronger hate against themselves in the region and the world. If at any point in time they lose the support of the most powerful country on earth, they'll be in huge danger and they can only blame themselves for creating that danger.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by 9dev »

dismalaf wrote: post #92
9dev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? By the way, I don’t see criticism of Israel, but Israel’s current extremist government. I’d even argue that supporting Israel means opposing that administration.

> Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? So answer the question with your solution.

No, that's a logical fallacy. I can be against something obviously wrong without offering an alternative action. In fact, this is a case of "something needs to be done, this is something, so this must be done". Wrong. Doing nothing—not starving Gaza—was also an option; one that the Israeli government decided against. They are responsible for the current situation.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by solidsnack9000 »

For everyone in this thread hoping for a "Marshall Plan" or other functional aid regime for Gaza, keep in mind that the Marshall Plan began with defeat. It was only with Germany's unconditional surrender that the Allies could establish security and make a plan for the future. Hamas has had many opportunities to surrender and hasn't taken them.

Hitler had many opportunities, as well; but chose not to. Surrender was not a choice the Allies could make for him or for Germany; and it is not a choice Israel can make for Hamas or Gaza.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by sudopluto »

dismalaf wrote: post #561
karim79 wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?

> Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. Hamas claimed non-Hamas groups and some civilians held hostages. Some hostages were found in captivity guarded by "civilians". Groups like PIJ held hostages. So what's a nice catch-all term for the above groups?

terrorists? extremist groups? combatants? there is a large jump from hamas -> the entire population, including innocent civilians.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by tdeck »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

Except these politicians weren't sharing their opinion, they were making a calculated statement and deliberately refusing to acknowledge all evidence to the contrary for years. As an example, selling weapons to a country that will use them to commit war crimes violates US law. So the Biden administration claimed they had seen "no evidence" of Israel committing any war crimes. A ludicrous statement to anyone bothering to pay any attention at the time. Now we know that was a lie (actually we knew it then)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/3/former-us-official-w...

So is someone like Matt Miller who spent more than a year repeating genocide propaganda redeemed now? Of course not. These people have no principles at all, and their words are meaningless. Ww must be mindful of their actions.

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Post by dang »

23david wrote: post #626

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HN has always hosted a certain number of stories with political overlap, and the principles of how that works are pretty stable. I posted about this here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44718396. If you (or anyone) want to understand how we approach this, I suggest reading that comment and some of the links there, and then if you still have a question that hasn't been answered, Tom or I will be happy to take a crack at it.

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Post by sudopluto »

solidsnack9000 wrote: post #633

For everyone in this thread hoping for a "Marshall Plan" or other functional aid regime for Gaza, keep in mind that the Marshall Plan began with defeat . It was only with Germany's unconditional surrender that the Allies could establish security and make a plan for the future. Hamas has had many opportunities to surrender and hasn't taken them. Hitler had many opportunities, as well; but chose not to. Surrender was n…

one could argue, that with hamas de facto defeated and now rival gangs rising up to take power, israel could unilaterally ceasefire and hold elections for a new government to run the strip. hamas, if they pop up again, are disposed of with both domestic and IDF forces.

the main problem is that doing so would probably result in the death of the hostages. hamas wants to stay in power, even if gaza is reduced to sand, they will hold onto the hostages until their power, even over nothing but skeletons, is assured.

the IDF could continue to engage on hamas's terms, or it could make the heartbreaking decision to give up on the hostages and focus on saving the innocent gazan civilians.

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Post by okucu »

grandiego wrote: post #496
dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

Hope some day Muslims (in all Arab countries) just accept the right of Israel to exist. Else, this attack/retaliation dynamic will continue for ever, with people taking sides from a blob of propaganda channels disguised in news platforms.

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Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by 9dev »

rendall wrote: post #99
9dev wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? By the way, I don’t see criticism of Israel, but Israel’s current extremist government. I’d even argue that supporting Israel means opposing that administration.

"The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.

> If you really believe that Gazans are being starved

This is so disgusting. There is an endless flood of proof from reliable media all over the world. It's a fact, not a matter of belief.

> Let's hear what you think Israel should do.

A government with members that are publicly outspoken for a genocide in Gaza simply cannot be trusted on this issue. It's like letting the wolf pack guard the sheep pen and hoping they will handle the situation responsibly. They will not.

You want to hear my solution? Israel should elect new leaders that aren't as empathically crippled, allow foreign (and domestic) help into Gaza, stop all actions of war, and get into talks with Abbas. Israel should incorporate and take responsibility for Gaza as a part of Israel, following Herzl's vision of Israel as a pluralistic state. A one-state solution is inevitable if there is ever supposed to be peace.

But this isn't going to happen. Instead, Gaza is out for a long, slow death by attrition; Israel is once again going to build illegal settlements and occupy territory, and wage war against local militias.

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