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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by unwise-exe »

axblount wrote: post #343
hermitcrab wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone from the Texas state government wanted to buy a $75 licence for my event planning software. Fine. Then they told me I had to sign an agreement that I wouldn't boycot Israel. Ridiculous. It's none of their business. I refused to sign it and didn't get the sale.

Arizona has a similar law regarding the Uyghurs. Every contact needs a clause that says no Uyghur "forced labor" was used.

That seems a rather different sort of declaration though? "I did not participate in this harm" vs "I will not speak against this group".

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Post by supplied_demand »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

I remember a lot of people predicting it would lead to this from the start. The response was often along the lines of “If you don’t support Israel’s invasion, you are pro-Hamas.”

If those people had a come-to-Jesus moment, great. That said, they probably owe an apology to the people they demonized as supporting terrorism.

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Post by n8cpdx »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #260
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

It's good to be honest about all the horrors going on in the world, not just when they're committed by jewish people (I'm not jewish btw). For example there are recents vids of syrian muslims going door to door in villages in Syria and asking people if they are muslims or of the Druze faith: those answering they're from the Druze faith are shot on the spot. This qualify as war crimes too to me. But you don't get to r…

If you have quality news sources you hear about these things all the time (e.g. Economist).

One reason Israel gets so much attention in the US is that US taxpayers are underwriting the war; both by selling arms and by defending attacks on Israel. So in other words, every tax paying US person who works is working hard every day to further genocide. It is a bitter pill to swallow, and highlights the contradictions and hypocrisy of US foreign policy.

My tax dollars are not as clearly implicated in the wars in Sudan, Ethiopia, Syria, Myanmar, or the various other genocides.

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Post by zdragnar »

unwise-exe wrote: post #346
dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

>>> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, I believe that capturing POWs is fairly common when at war.

Capturing soldiers, sure, but that's not what happened.

The whole point of capturing soldiers is to keep them from returning to the field. You deny the other side fighters.

Hamas raped, murdered and kidnapped civilians.

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Post by [deleted] »

bamboozled wrote: post #336
kristopolous wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Historically, any nationalist project on behalf of any group requiring large migration for it to work led to a removal and replacement of some group with another. United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, failed ones like Rhodesia...there's really no counter-example I can think of. Regardless of where you land, I don't think anyone can look at what's going on in the middle east and think things are going fine -…

No, people just nee to learn to live alongside eachother ffs.

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Post by vdfs »

Cyph0n wrote: post #291
diebeforei485 wrote: post #237

Israel does not allow international journalists in and it's fairly obvious why.

Yes, they learned an important lesson on how to deal with Western media from the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. There's a decent amount of exploration of this topic in the excellent book "Our American Israel".

New lesson is learned about tiktok and live streams

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Post by IX-103 »

bamboozled wrote: post #335
School-Cotton wrote: post #319

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Israel has been blockading the Gaza Strip by air and sea for 18 years. The Gaza Strip is, as far as I know, the only place in the world whose fishermen can't fish in the full extent of its territorial waters. This has been true since way before Oct. 7th 2023.

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How can both be true?

1. Israel's 18 year blockade of Gaza is an effective mechanism to prevent weapons coming into Gaza

2. Hamas has been launching rockets into Israel for 18 years

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Post by coffeemug »

School-Cotton wrote: post #321
TacticalCoder wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's good to be honest about all the horrors going on in the world, not just when they're committed by jewish people (I'm not jewish btw). For example there are recents vids of syrian muslims going door to door in villages in Syria and asking people if they are muslims or of the Druze faith: those answering they're from the Druze faith are shot on the spot. This qualify as war crimes too to me. But you don't get to r…

> Why is that? How comes it's so selective? The main reason is that Israel is materially supported by the West, so Westerners feel morally responsible for what it does. It has little to do with whether the perpetrators are Jewish or not[1]. There were gigantic protests against the Iraq war, whose main perpetrators (e.g. Bush) were not Jewish. 1: I edited this from "nothing" to "little". I concede it might have someth…

That’s not the reason. Almost certainly people feel a strong reaction, then when asked why it’s selective reach for a plausible answer. “Israel is supported by the west” is plausible.

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Post by Pigalowda »

unwise-exe wrote: post #346
dismalaf wrote: post #79

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11…

>>> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, I believe that capturing POWs is fairly common when at war.

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Post by rendall »

mjamil wrote: post #115
rendall wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate and notable that whenever Israel hits the front page of HN and avoids getting flagged, the perspective is reliably anti-Israel. It's worth recalling that confirmation bias, which we’re all prone to, kicks in hard on this topic. We are all subject to the tendency to notice and remember things that back up what we already believe, while tuning out anything that contradicts it. With Israel, that often m…

Have you considered that your framing exposes implicit bias? It breaks posts down in a binary (pro- or anti-Israel) formation. It’s not that simple. One can be deeply sympathetic to the millenia-long suffering of the Jewish people and even want them to have a homeland, and yet believe that Israelis are largely unconcerned with the welfare of Palestinian civilians. It’s also reasonable at this point to believe that Is…

Solidly anti-Israel. Like "somewhat pregnant" there is no "somewhat pro-Israel". Either you believe that Israel has the right to exist, that its public statements are reasonably accurate reflections of its intentions, and that those goals and intentions are reasonable, and are thus pro-Israel; or you are anti-Israel. The rest is just decoration.

Polls about Israeli indifference to Palestinians is a non-sequitur.

Israel tells us all daily what its goals are and why, and how it intends to achieve those goals. Its actions then match those statements.

However, it is very difficult for most people, apparently, to listen to Israel and falsify its statements. Too much history, propaganda, false consensus, confirmation bias, and, frankly, anti-Semitism. Much easier for everyone to agree with each other that Israel bad, to attribute motives, to assume the worst, to believe Israel's enemies. Those people think it's reasonable to say something like "while I agree that Israel has the right to exist, that does not give them the right to commit war crimes and genocide."

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