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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by ivape »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

It’s more likely that Israel was given free rein for the timeline they wanted from the global order. Let’s say they asked for a full two years, where countries were basically under a gentleman’s gag order.

Two years is enough time for the deed to be done, say whatever you need to say now, it doesn’t matter. You see that Israel has allowed aid in all of a sudden according to this contrived timeline. It’s not different than a teacher letting a bully beat down a kid for a solid 10 minutes and jumping in after with a “ok that’s enough now”. Such an actor is complicit.

I’d urge people read Marin Luther King’s words on inaction.

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by maroonblazer »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #290
josephg wrote: post #275

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What do you imagine that mea culpa to look like? Personally I don’t see it being a case of one side of protesters being “right” and “wrong”. I just think Israel should have pulled out an awfully long time ago. They went too far, have done too much damage and the calculus doesn’t make sense any more. I have no problem with the initial invasion of Gaza to stop Hamas and get their people back. I’m not sorry for saying s…

It was clear to me and many other people from the first days after oct 7 that the actions taken by israel in gaza did not align with their stated goals, and that genocide was the likely outcome. I hope people changing their view of it now will reflect on at what point they could have seen that, and what prevented them from seeing it, and what prevented them from taking seriously the people who did see it. Does everyo…

Israel didn't take any actions until Oct 13. What actions 'from the first days' are you referring to?

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by nashashmi »

blast wrote: post #59
nashashmi wrote: post #51

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citation not needed. we have seen it all.

I haven't seen such a video, though I wouldn't be surprised if one existed. Let's stick to facts.

Facts are it and many more exist

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by bamboozled »

School-Cotton wrote: post #319
tim333 wrote: post #233

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Pretty much my take. I thought Israel's actions were reasonable at first but out of hand now.

Israel has been blockading the Gaza Strip by air and sea for 18 years. The Gaza Strip is, as far as I know, the only place in the world whose fishermen can't fish in the full extent of its territorial waters. This has been true since way before Oct. 7th 2023.

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Post by bamboozled »

kristopolous wrote: post #315
tim333 wrote: post #233

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Pretty much my take. I thought Israel's actions were reasonable at first but out of hand now.

Historically, any nationalist project on behalf of any group requiring large migration for it to work led to a removal and replacement of some group with another. United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, failed ones like Rhodesia...there's really no counter-example I can think of. Regardless of where you land, I don't think anyone can look at what's going on in the middle east and think things are going fine -…

No, people just nee to learn to live alongside eachother ffs.

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Post by unwise-exe »

ivape wrote: post #331
zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

It’s more likely that Israel was given free rein for the timeline they wanted from the global order. Let’s say they asked for a full two years, where countries were basically under a gentleman’s gag order. Two years is enough time for the deed to be done, say whatever you need to say now, it doesn’t matter. You see that Israel has allowed aid in all of a sudden according to this contrived timeline. It’s not different…

That seems like a somewhat unlikely degree of international coordination.

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Post by ivape »

unwise-exe wrote: post #337
ivape wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s more likely that Israel was given free rein for the timeline they wanted from the global order. Let’s say they asked for a full two years, where countries were basically under a gentleman’s gag order. Two years is enough time for the deed to be done, say whatever you need to say now, it doesn’t matter. You see that Israel has allowed aid in all of a sudden according to this contrived timeline. It’s not different…

That seems like a somewhat unlikely degree of international coordination.

It’s really not. France and England are suddenly realizing the genocide, and Israel has decided that now is the time aid gets to come in. Trump just admitted there is starvation in Gaza. It’s pretty coordinated. It’s an easy ask, “we just need 14 months of silence plus or minus, then whatever”.

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Post by cm2012 »

zetazzed wrote: post #220

I see an increasing number of politicians taking the position: "I supported Israel's government's actions when they first attacked, given the goals of destroying Hamas' leadership and freeing hostages, but now that it has turned into a brutal siege with mass civilian casualties on a horrific scale, I'm strongly against their actions." E.g. Macron, Angus King, and many people I know personally. And I think we need to…

One could certainly argue about methods, but on October 8th, what options did Israel have except invasion of Gaza?

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Post by School-Cotton »

bamboozled wrote: post #335
School-Cotton wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel has been blockading the Gaza Strip by air and sea for 18 years. The Gaza Strip is, as far as I know, the only place in the world whose fishermen can't fish in the full extent of its territorial waters. This has been true since way before Oct. 7th 2023.

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In the West Bank, whose Palestinian population is administered by an organization that fully collaborates with the Israeli occupation and does not engage in armed struggle, Israeli repression continues unabated (statelessness, restriction on freedom of movement, expansion of Jewish-only colonial settlements, arbitrary detention under Israeli military law, etc.)

Sure, maybe if Hamas surrendered there wouldn’t be a blockade, specifically, but given the example of the West Bank right next door it’s hard to imagine that repression wouldn’t continue in some form.

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