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Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlimited works well for everything that is “too cheap to meter”. Internet, text messages, etc are roughly that: the direct costs are so cheap. That’s not the case with LLM’s at this moment. There are significant direct costs to each long-running agent.

Internet and SMS used to be expensive and metered until they weren't thanks to technological advances and expanded use. I think LLMs will follow the same path, maybe on a shorter timespan.

I think LLMs follow more of an Energy analogy: Gas or Electricity, or even water.

How much has any if these decreased over the last 5 decades? The problem is that as of right now, LLM cost is linearly (if not exponentially) related to the output. It's basically "transferring energy" converted into bytes. So unless we see some breakthrough in energy generation, or better use it, it will be difficult to scale.

This makes me wonder, would it be possible to pre-compue some kind of "rainbow tables" equivalent for LLMs? Either stored in the client or in the server; so as to reduce the computing needed for inference.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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This is bad.

I switched to Claude Code because of Cursor’s monthly limits.

If I run out of my ability to use Claude Code, I’m going to just switch back to Cursor and stay there. I’m sick of these games.

If you think it’s ok, then make Anthropic dog food it by putting every employee in the pro plan and continue to tell them they must use it for their work but they can’t upgrade and see how they like it.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I'm not sure how this will play out long term, but I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM. People like unlimited plans, we are used to them for internet, text messaging, etc. The current pricing models just feel bad.

> I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM Well, it is a limited resource, I'm glad they're making that clear.

Yeah, this sentence "I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM" felt like "I'm not a fan of reality" to me.

Lots of things still have usage-based pricing (last I checked no gas stations are offering "all you can fill up" specials), and those things work out fine.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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post #362

I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week —a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to! I feel like someone is going to reply that I'm too reliant on Claude or something. Maybe that's true, but I'd feel the same about the prospect of loosing ripgrep for a…

It makes me sad that devs start relying on proprietary online services to be able to work. We have been lucky enough to have FOSS tools to do everything and not to have to rely on any specific service or company to work and some of us are deciding to become like Monsanto-addicted farmers who forgot how to do their jobs without something they have to pay every month.

We can and did work without it. It just makes us many times faster.

Nothing about using an LLM removes skills and abilities you already had before it.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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post #14

They need metered billing for their plans. All AI companies are hitting the same thing and dealing with the same play - they don't want users to think about cost when they're prompting, so they offer high cost flat fee plans. The reality is though there will always be a cohort of absolute power users who will push the limits of those flat fee plans to the logical extremes. Startups like Terragon are specifically engi…

> Just offer metered plans that let me use the web interface. The problem is this would reveal how expensive it _actually_ is to service interference right now at the scale that people use it for productive things.

Another problem is that it works like a slot machine -- sometimes the code is good, most of the time the code is mediocre and full of bugs.

Last Friday I spent about $15 in 1 hour using claude code with API key, and the code doesn't really work, even though all the unit tests passed. I am not going to touch it for weeks, while the loss is fresh in my mind.

With a subscription though, you can keep on gambling, until you get a hit.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Why not just have a usage-based pricing system that people can opt in to so that they just pay-as-they-go once they hit these plan limits?

It makes no sense to me that you would tell customers “no”. Make it easy for them to give you more money.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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I'm probably not going to hit the weekly limit, but it makes me nervous that the limit is weekly as opposed to every 36 hours or something. If I do hit the limit, that's it for the entire week —a long time to be without a tool I've grown accustomed to! I feel like someone is going to reply that I'm too reliant on Claude or something. Maybe that's true, but I'd feel the same about the prospect of loosing ripgrep for a…

This is how I feel about the 100 msg/wk limit on o3 for the ChatGPT plus plan. There’s no way to see how much I’ve used, and it’s an important enough resource that my lizard brain wants to hoard it. The result is that I way underutilize my plan and go for one of the o4-mini models instead. I would much prefer a lower daily limit, but maybe the underutilization is the point of the weekly limit. *edited to change “pro”…

Where did you find this info? I am unable to find in on OpenAI's website. https://help.openai.com/en/articles/6950777-what-is-chatgpt-...

I haven't yet run into this limit...

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM Well, it is a limited resource, I'm glad they're making that clear.

Yeah, this sentence "I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM" felt like "I'm not a fan of reality" to me. Lots of things still have usage-based pricing (last I checked no gas stations are offering "all you can fill up" specials), and those things work out fine.

These subscriptions only work because lighter users subsidise heavier users, but I guess the really heavy users are such big outliers that the maths isn't working out for Anthropic. I'm really not liking this neo-rentier capitalism we find ourselves in.
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