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‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by FranklinMaillot »

oulipo wrote: post #28
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

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Exactly! That's so baffling and infuriating. They're living in an alternate reality at this point. I was just looking at Raphael Enthoven's X account earlier and it makes me crazy.

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Post by daveguy »

dbrail wrote: post #112
saubeidl wrote: post #103

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No. Not starving people is a bare minimum. A better solution would be literally doing nothing.

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Is it an eye for an eye or 10,000 eyes for an eye? It was the Hamas military that committed the first war crimes attacking civilians. Netanyahu is committing war crimes in response starving the entire population. That is unacceptable.

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Post by sojournerc »

dbrail wrote: post #112
saubeidl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Not starving people is a bare minimum. A better solution would be literally doing nothing.

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You take it out on innocent citizens who are being used as human shields by those terrorists? Maybe there's a better way.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vorpalhex wrote: post #98
calmbonsai wrote: post #11

IDF fired on World Central Kitchen workers April of 2024 so this, sadly, isn't surprising. At least more and more video is, finally, coming out vividly capturing these atrocities.

And one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member who had participated in Oct 7th.. as well as an actual bonafide WCK worker. Admittedly blowing up the entire van was probably wrong in retrospect.

> one of those WCK workers was in fact a rifle wielding Hamas member who had participated in Oct 7th

Source?

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by dmix »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #102
rendall wrote: post #99

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"The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.

That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.

That would probably require some serious infrastructure to set up secure food distribution points, which I'm assuming isn't easy because the locations have to change as the evacuation areas also constantly changimg. From the video it looks like they only have some berms and small fences so I'd imagine it's a dangerous security situation.

Although having way more food/distribution points might help reduce the violent mobs.

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Post by jahewson »

gambiting wrote: post #67
crystal_revenge wrote: post #17

As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. What's worse is I actually feel openly saying "I don't support this genocide and I'm critical of the state committing it" is a r…

>>As someone who went to US high school in the 90s, a good 1/3 of our curriculum seemed to be "never again" studies of the holocaust and other genocides throughout history. Which makes it completely incomprehensible to me that suddenly "don't talk about genocide" has become the basically law. I used to live right outside of Auschwitz. Been inside many times, and it's an absolutely harrowing experience - the scale of…

What was it like for you living Germany in that period?

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Post by maximilianburke »

dbrail wrote: post #112
saubeidl wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Not starving people is a bare minimum. A better solution would be literally doing nothing.

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How many Gazans need to die before it's mission accomplished?

Re: ‘I witnessed war crimes’ in Gaza – former worker at GHF aid site [video]

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mjamil wrote: post #115
rendall wrote: post #78

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It's unfortunate and notable that whenever Israel hits the front page of HN and avoids getting flagged, the perspective is reliably anti-Israel. It's worth recalling that confirmation bias, which we’re all prone to, kicks in hard on this topic. We are all subject to the tendency to notice and remember things that back up what we already believe, while tuning out anything that contradicts it. With Israel, that often m…

Have you considered that your framing exposes implicit bias? It breaks posts down in a binary (pro- or anti-Israel) formation. It’s not that simple. One can be deeply sympathetic to the millenia-long suffering of the Jewish people and even want them to have a homeland, and yet believe that Israelis are largely unconcerned with the welfare of Palestinian civilians. It’s also reasonable at this point to believe that Is…

> One can be deeply sympathetic to the millenia-long suffering of the Jewish people and even want them to have a homeland, and yet believe that Israelis are largely unconcerned with the welfare of Palestinian civilians

And then extend that to believing Hamas are monsters, that whenever Palestine has--in modern times--had any power or leverage, it has used it to be a pest to its neighbors, and yet still believe that those people don't deserve to face starvation, bombing, economic ruin and forced displacement.

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Post by rendall »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #102
rendall wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.

That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that Israel has decided to starve out Gazans in order to end the war. You have the choice to save them by offering a better solution. What is it?

"Not X!" is a copout.

Unfortunately for that perspective, finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict from the Israeli perspective.

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