As the former community manager for ClamAV, there could have been some work done here to correct the situation and make both parties happy. I know ClamAV doesn't want to see third party utilities go away, and it's beneficial to the community for them to exist. Trolls exist, but there are ways to deal with them. I ran ClamAV and Snort for about 15 years, and we had plenty of heat over the years. This could have been avoided.
Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
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Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#22The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums. I find I am typically only browsing this site when I am not ready to present the best version of myself (tired, bored, demotivated). I don't know how we end the cycle of cruelty in our industry.
They are over-represented everywhere. We live in society where being martyr is highly valued, others are not allowed to ignore it and set their boundaries. If you do, you are an asshole and have no empathy.
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#23The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums. I find I am typically only browsing this site when I am not ready to present the best version of myself (tired, bored, demotivated). I don't know how we end the cycle of cruelty in our industry.
> The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums.
* the internet.
The vast majority of the internet is spurred by ragebait/loneliness-bait in some way. It skews heavily to the mentally ill.
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
"The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums." no, they're over-represented on all forums
This could be more agreeably written as “yes, and”. You are not disagreeing with his statement.
Yes, but this is a technical forum ...
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#25As the former community manager for ClamAV, there could have been some work done here to correct the situation and make both parties happy. I know ClamAV doesn't want to see third party utilities go away, and it's beneficial to the community for them to exist. Trolls exist, but there are ways to deal with them. I ran ClamAV and Snort for about 15 years, and we had plenty of heat over the years. This could have been a…
A single developer doesn't have a 'community manager' to deal with assholes. That said, why would one try to make the troll happy? What reading this results in "they both have a valid point we should address"?
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#26The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums. I find I am typically only browsing this site when I am not ready to present the best version of myself (tired, bored, demotivated). I don't know how we end the cycle of cruelty in our industry.
"The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums." no, they're over-represented on all forums
"The people worth listening to leave, and the ones who can't leave stay and rot the place."
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#27The angry, insecure and unwell are over-represented in technical forums. I find I am typically only browsing this site when I am not ready to present the best version of myself (tired, bored, demotivated). I don't know how we end the cycle of cruelty in our industry.
It's partly just a numbers game, innit? There are about 5.5 billion on the internet. IIRC about 3 billion of them speak English. Even a tiny percentage being profoundly unreasonable means there are millions of them. Sooner or later you will come in contact with some of them.
Or to be more eloquent about it: being instantly connected to everyone on the planet also means you're instantly connected to every fucking asshole on the planet.
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#28Now hold on a minute. I'm reading the Codeberg posts, and I think Neowin is getting it wrong. The LoucheBear person seems to be saying that their ClamAV scan is clean without Kapitano, but not clean with Kapitano. Anyone want to grab the flatpak quick, just to see if somehow some malware hitched a ride?
Anyway, if I'm reading this right, then these two people are just talking past one another, not understanding what the other is talking about.
Off-topic: It's absolutely mad from a security perspective that you can't download flatpaks as a simple bzip file for security analysis.
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#29Now hold on a minute. I'm reading the Codeberg posts, and I think Neowin is getting it wrong. The LoucheBear person seems to be saying that their ClamAV scan is clean without Kapitano, but not clean with Kapitano. Anyone want to grab the flatpak quick, just to see if somehow some malware hitched a ride? Anyway, if I'm reading this right, then these two people are just talking past one another, not understanding what…
> Off-topic: It's absolutely mad from a security perspective that you can't download flatpaks as a simple bzip file for security analysis.
You can download Flatpak bundles: Flatpak supports exporting apps as .flatpak bundle files, which are single-file archives that can be analyzed offline.
These can be created using flatpak build-bundle or downloaded if the distributor provides them.
If...
Re: Linux dev quits after "personal attacks" from user over antivirus tool
#30As the former community manager for ClamAV, there could have been some work done here to correct the situation and make both parties happy. I know ClamAV doesn't want to see third party utilities go away, and it's beneficial to the community for them to exist. Trolls exist, but there are ways to deal with them. I ran ClamAV and Snort for about 15 years, and we had plenty of heat over the years. This could have been a…
A single developer doesn't have a 'community manager' to deal with assholes. That said, why would one try to make the troll happy? What reading this results in "they both have a valid point we should address"?
Im not saying the developer needs to have a community manager. Im saying this could have been handled differently by any number of people. I dont want to point fingers.