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Britain's spies-for-hire are running wild

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These articles never talk about the version of "spies for hire" which exists for tech workers, which is "expert networks": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expert_network

Get paid 300-2000$+ each for 1 hr calls? I'd be shocked if expert networks weren't being used for subterfuge.

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US veterans have to seek permission to enter employment or invest in companies that do business with foreign governments https://dodsoco.ogc.osd.mil/Portals/102/summary_emoluments_c... Australia introduced a less onerous 1/5/10 year permission period but for anybody with "training in military tactics and use of software or technology with military applications" https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2024-05-07/n…

Former intelligence agents are not veterans Not sure which country this looks bad on given that

There's a lot of military intelligence for which they are veterans.

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>Haven't crime rates been declining in the West for quite a while now? Yes but not for the reasons you think. More crime is going unreported, unsolved, unenforced than ever before. It started during Covid and hasn’t really gotten any better. The Leo’s that are die hard are now out there wearing masks looking for people of a specific skin color.

Any source for that? Many say the opposite. Crimes are more often reported especially if suspects have a „specific skin color“.

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Treason in America is interrupting narrative/consensus construction.

Interrupting narrative/consensus construction must be exceedingly rare in America then, since there hasn't been a conviction for treason in the US since the 1950's.

They just cancel you today. Or the FBI comes to your house and threatens you with violence and malicious prosecution.

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Why are you asking me for a prompt that would be effortless to formulate yourself, and why are you asking questions that would also be effortless to formulate yourself? It’s not because the information will be of higher quality when you filter it through me, it’s because you’re afraid that if you do these very easy things, you’ll learn that things are much worse than you believe.

> Why are you asking me for a prompt that would be effortless to formulate yourself, and why are you asking questions that would also be effortless to formulate yourself? It’s not because the information will be of higher quality when you filter it through me, it’s because you’re afraid that if you do these very easy things, you’ll learn that things are much worse than you believe. Please have better faith in your in…

Well, it's hardly a surprise that Hitchins would claim credit for something that was an established phrase in the 19th century.

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> Private intelligence firms claim that illegally obtained information is routinely submitted to courts in the U.K., with the third industry figure telling POLITICO there are “ludicrous cover stories put in front of judges” where people are trying to “launder stolen information into court proceedings.” This sounds like "parallel construction" with fewer steps.

Outsourced parallel construction. The world seems to be moving away from long-established (and established slowly over a long time) rules and regulations around law and due process due to it feeling slow and inconvenient. Haven't crime rates been declining in the West for quite a while now?

I can't speak for all of western civilization but one of my favorite facts is that violent crime has been plummeting in the US and the trend started with the release of Doom

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Any source for that? Many say the opposite. Crimes are more often reported especially if suspects have a „specific skin color“.

There's really no way to know so it's silly to ask for a source. The only crime statistic that's fairly reliable (at least in developed countries) is murder because it's hard to hide a body. Lesser crimes are heavily under reported but no one knows by how much, and the reporting rates vary widely by location and time. In many places the police actively discourage victims from reporting minor crimes because it creates…

>There's really no way to know so it's silly to ask for a source.

Well then its even sillier to make the claim in the first place, isn't it?

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US veterans have to seek permission to enter employment or invest in companies that do business with foreign governments https://dodsoco.ogc.osd.mil/Portals/102/summary_emoluments_c... Australia introduced a less onerous 1/5/10 year permission period but for anybody with "training in military tactics and use of software or technology with military applications" https://www.defence.gov.au/news-events/news/2024-05-07/n…

> US veterans have to seek permission Retired military personnel, not all veterans.

So you think that if you are a pilot that left after 19 years you can go and train Chinese pilots without permission?

Veterans is just another word for retired military personnel. If you were in the military and are not dishonorably discharged you are a veteran. Whether you do 2,3 or 20 years.

I am pretty sure the rule though applies to all regardless of discharge status.

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I'm guessing because none of it happened. Seriously an anonymous client, talking about an anonymous company, hiring another anonymous company, stating that a credible professional (the senior lawyer) said it was a big issue but not actually confirming with the lawyer that they knew of this case and had said that?

In these cases, if you speak too much you get killed. I'll post one such case to corroborate the article, since it was big news in my community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Hong_Kong_trade_office_sp... Allegedly involved are Hong Kong government, multiple private security and private investigators from the UK with ex-military/law enforcement background, and a mysterious death after the whole scandal was expose…

While I agree that the author clearly has to keep the details private from the press for their own safety, the whole article frames the alleged victims as powerless, but in truth they are not.

The behaviors described are mostly criminal, they have legal recourse, it's not like civil cases where they would be buried from the other sides legal team.

And speaking of the other side they are private companies employing ex intelligence people they don't have the immense backing of a state behind them, if they get caught doing illegal things a few times thats it their whole business could be under threat.

I am guessing they are very chummy with law enforcement, have good lawyers and may be in bed with politicians but the whole thing looks extremely precarious it would only take a couple of cases to stick for real prison time for these folks.

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> US veterans have to seek permission Retired military personnel, not all veterans.

So you think that if you are a pilot that left after 19 years you can go and train Chinese pilots without permission? Veterans is just another word for retired military personnel. If you were in the military and are not dishonorably discharged you are a veteran. Whether you do 2,3 or 20 years. I am pretty sure the rule though applies to all regardless of discharge status.

> Veterans is just another word for retired military personnel.

A sergeant who leaves after a three-year enlistment is a veteran, but not a retiree.

The distinction matters because military retirees retain some privileges from their service, most importantly, a pension. Those privileges mean retirees fall under the emoluments clause.

However, a veteran not receiving retired pay is not subject to the emoluments clause as they have no relationship with the federal government. The Congressional Research Service states:

> Former servicemembers with no military status and not entitled to military retired pay can perform [foreign military service] on the same basis as a U.S. national who never served in the armed services. [1]

Interestingly, this implies a retiree could forfeit their retired pay to avoid being subject to the emoluments clause.

[1]: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12068

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