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Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by Jcampuzano2 »

jimbo808 wrote: post #22

I'm not sure how this will play out long term, but I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM. People like unlimited plans, we are used to them for internet, text messaging, etc. The current pricing models just feel bad.

My opinion is all of these tools should completely get rid of the "pay 20/month, 200/month", etc just to get access to some beholden rate limited amount that becomes hard to track.

Mask off completely and just make it completely usage based for everyone. You could do something for trial users like first 20 (pick your number here) requests are free if you really need to in order to get people on board. Or you could do tiered pricing like first 20 free, next 200 for X rate, next 200 for X*1.25 rate, and then for really high usage users charge the full cost to make up for their extreme patterns. With this they can still subsidize for the people who stay lower on usage rates for market share. Of course you can replace 200 requests with just token usage if that makes sense but I'm sure they can do the math to make it work with request limits if they work hard enough.

Offer better than open-router pricing and that keeps people in your system instead of reaching for 3rd party tools.

If your tool is that good, even with usage based it will get users. The issue is all the providers are both subsidizing users to get market share, but also trying to prohibit bad actors and the most egregious usage patterns. The only way this 100% becomes a non-issue is usage based for everything with no entry fee.

But this also hurts some who pay a subscription but DONT use enough to account for the usage based fees. So some sales people probably don't like that option either. It also makes it easier for people to shop around instead of feeling stuck for a month or two since most people don't want multiple subs at once.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by closewith »

thoughtfulappco wrote: post #79
serial_dev wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Affecting 5% of users to me sounds like it affects pretty much everyone who got some value out of the tool and is not a casual coder.

I dont know if running an agent 24/7 means you are "better" than casual coder. Code quality is still a thing, HITL i believe in still (not buying complete agent/mcp hype), I don't know if using more resources = extracting more value atm

3 hours of Opus usage per work day will be exhausted fast.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by manveerc »

For most people, this is a tool we use daily. What’s the reasoning behind choosing a weekly usage limit instead of a daily one? Is it because the top 5 percent of users tend to have spiky usage on certain days, such as weekends? If that’s the case, has there been any consideration of offering different usage tiers for weekdays and weekends?

I’m just curious how this decision came about. In most cases, I’ve seen either daily or monthly limits, so the weekly model stood out.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by johnpaulkiser »

chomp wrote: post #135
strictnein wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The API is far more expensive. For Opus 4 it's almost priced in a way that says "don't use this".

That’s not what the parent commenter asked though, they wanted a price for not being concerned about limits. The API pricing is that.

I doubts thats what they want. They want a static fixed price, $5k a month for example and never have to think about it.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by alwillis »

From Anthropic’s Reddit account:

One user consumed tens of thousands in model usage on a $200 plan. Though we're developing solutions for these advanced use cases, our new rate limits will ensure a more equitable experience for all users while also preventing policy violations like account sharing and reselling access.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by mhl47 »

littlestymaar wrote: post #163
el_benhameen wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I feel about the 100 msg/wk limit on o3 for the ChatGPT plus plan. There’s no way to see how much I’ve used, and it’s an important enough resource that my lizard brain wants to hoard it. The result is that I way underutilize my plan and go for one of the o4-mini models instead. I would much prefer a lower daily limit, but maybe the underutilization is the point of the weekly limit. *edited to change “pro”…

> This is how I feel about the 100 msg/wk limit on o3 for the ChatGPT Do I read this correctly? Only 100 messages per week, on the pro plan worth a few hundred buck a month?!

No it's 100 a week for plus users.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by lossolo »

flashgordon wrote: post #98
richwater wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're okay with lower quality output, a $10k Mac Studio will get you there. But you _will_ have to accept lower quality outputs compared to todays' frontier models.

Yeah I was actually thinking about a proper rig - My gut feel is a rig wouldnt be as expensve as a mac and would actually have a higher ROI (at the expense of portability)? My other worry about the mac is how unupgradable it is. Again not sure how fruitful it is - in my (probably fantasy land) view if I can setup a rig and then keep updating components as needed - it might last me a good 5 years say for 20k over that…

Buy 4–8 used 3090s (providing 96–192 GB of VRAM), depending on the model and weight quantization you want to run. Used 3090 costs around $800. Add more RAM to offload layers if needed. This setup currently offers the best value for performance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1iqpzpk/8x_rtx_...

You can look for more rig examples on that subreddit.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by CodeBrad »

Jcampuzano2 wrote: post #171
jimbo808 wrote: post #22

I'm not sure how this will play out long term, but I really am not a fan of having to feel like I'm using a limited resource whenever I use an LLM. People like unlimited plans, we are used to them for internet, text messaging, etc. The current pricing models just feel bad.

My opinion is all of these tools should completely get rid of the "pay 20/month, 200/month", etc just to get access to some beholden rate limited amount that becomes hard to track. Mask off completely and just make it completely usage based for everyone. You could do something for trial users like first 20 (pick your number here) requests are free if you really need to in order to get people on board. Or you could do…

I think Claude Code also already has the option to provide an API key directly for usage based pricing.

I'm a fan of having both a subscription and a usage based plan available. The subscription is effectively a built in spending limit. If I regularly hit it and need more value, I can switch to an API key for unlimited usage.

The downside is you are potentially paying for something you don't use, but that is the same for all subscription services.

Re: Claude Code weekly rate limits

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Post by polarbear67 »

I think we'll see a lot more contextual engineering efforts soon. It is really inefficient to be uploading your entire codebase pretty much every request, which is what a lot of people are doing. When in reality, very few parts need the full context when programming. Although, big token doesn't seem to care, and often encourages this (including the editors).
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