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VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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How should small social network sites, forums or any sites that post user-generatrd content etc who can't afford to do age verification respond to this law? Block all requests from UK IPs?

We are building a niche social network and don't want to be in the cross-hairs.

Is anyone in a similar position? How's your company dealing with this?

Edit: apart from cost, storing user IDs etc goes against our goal of building a private social network. We would like to retain least amount info

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Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Kinda worried they'll just get to work banning consumer VPN use?

how would that work? Besides blocking the websites to download some VPN. Or if someone already has a VPN installed.

They could probably manage to deal with the big players (who have enough advertising reach to be used by "ordinary" people). I doubt they could ever block the long tail of non-standard VPNs, especially those that share infrastructure used for legitimate purposes (are they going to ban SSH connections to AWS?).

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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How should small social network sites, forums or any sites that post user-generatrd content etc who can't afford to do age verification respond to this law? Block all requests from UK IPs? We are building a niche social network and don't want to be in the cross-hairs. Is anyone in a similar position? How's your company dealing with this? Edit: apart from cost, storing user IDs etc goes against our goal of building a…

Focus on building and don't worry about being in regulatory crosshairs until you're actually in their crosshairs.

The less you know about this stuff the better.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Kinda worried they'll just get to work banning consumer VPN use?

how would that work? Besides blocking the websites to download some VPN. Or if someone already has a VPN installed.

It doesn't have to work on a technical level. Just grab a few people at random, torture them until someone admits guilt, then televise the guilty verdict and life-destroying sentence. Do this two or three times and fear will do the rest of the work for you.

The goal here is compliance, and nothing more.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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how would that work? Besides blocking the websites to download some VPN. Or if someone already has a VPN installed.

I see you’ve never been anywhere that blocks VPNs. First they will make it seem like only criminals would use VPNs, then they’ll target some actually shady VPN services to use as a scapegoat, then they’ll apply punitive measures to them specifically; then they will use the fact that they have already used punitive measures as a reason to use them blanketly. Technically: it’s pretty trivial to block almost all VPNs at…

> That this would affect businesses is of no consequence.

This is a historically unpopular government, where a significant proportion of their own membership is opposed to the government as well, dependent on business donors because its membership numbers has crashed.

I think the effect on businesses would make going after VPNs entirely dead in the water.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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I genuinely think that some 20% of the population are incurable moral busybodies, and the main function of liberal democracy is to protect the rest of society from these people. In this case liberal democracy has failed to protect us from some truly terrible legislation. Its impact goes far beyond adult content, it's an open attack on freedom of expression in this country that will lead to the proliferation of scams and identity theft. The amount of absurd things I've been asked to show ID for already when I've forgotten to turn on the VPN is exactly as bad as predicted, and I'm not going to trust some two-bit identity checking service.

The depressing thing is this seems the one thing a government that's famous for U-turning won't U-turn on. Even if (let's be honest, when) a list of MPs proclivities emerges from a data breach the most they'll do is exempt MPs from the provisions rather than admit this is a terrible law that makes the UK more dangerous rather than safer.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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How should small social network sites, forums or any sites that post user-generatrd content etc who can't afford to do age verification respond to this law? Block all requests from UK IPs? We are building a niche social network and don't want to be in the cross-hairs. Is anyone in a similar position? How's your company dealing with this? Edit: apart from cost, storing user IDs etc goes against our goal of building a…

The new legislation likely won't apply to you: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-... - the section "Threshold conditions for categorisation of services".

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Destroy cultural integrity, national identity, create a low-trust society, become more authoritarian to manage low-trust society, import more immigrants at an exponential rate while house costs rise along with unemployment. The list keeps going. This is why far-right is surging on the polls. The country has completely lost all sense.

UK needs immigrants to increase stagnating productivity. this has been the case for decades and it's why no government has done, or will do anything serious to curb it.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

#170

How should small social network sites, forums or any sites that post user-generatrd content etc who can't afford to do age verification respond to this law? Block all requests from UK IPs? We are building a niche social network and don't want to be in the cross-hairs. Is anyone in a similar position? How's your company dealing with this? Edit: apart from cost, storing user IDs etc goes against our goal of building a…

I'm not saying this is the intended consequence. But it's certainly something that has been considered.
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