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Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by ml-anon »

smsm42 wrote: post #220
dragonwriter wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like there are good options out there Yes, there are. > USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A The USSR and other Leninist-derived regimes showed what one narrow set of models of authoritarian state “socialism” looks like, sure, and its not pretty just like the pure private capitalism that was generally abandoned netween the early and mid 20th century for t…

Yeah, it's always "wrong socialism" when it's built. But the next one (after the next one, after the next one, after the next one) will be the right one and will not murder millions of people, despite the previous attempts doing exactly that. Please go away already, we had enough of suffering caused by ivory-tower theoreticians unable to perceive the reality.

Are you just ignoring the whole capitalist systems killing millions of people then?

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by pydry »

smsm42 wrote: post #220
dragonwriter wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like there are good options out there Yes, there are. > USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A The USSR and other Leninist-derived regimes showed what one narrow set of models of authoritarian state “socialism” looks like, sure, and its not pretty just like the pure private capitalism that was generally abandoned netween the early and mid 20th century for t…

Yeah, it's always "wrong socialism" when it's built. But the next one (after the next one, after the next one, after the next one) will be the right one and will not murder millions of people, despite the previous attempts doing exactly that. Please go away already, we had enough of suffering caused by ivory-tower theoreticians unable to perceive the reality.

It's important to remember that when the British Empire triggered a famine in Ireland justifying it using the free market, it had nothing do with capitalism.

But when Stalin murders millions with a famine, it's all communism's fault.

This is rightthink, and belief in it is the model for being a good little citizen. Wrongthink would be to consider both of these crimes to be separate from the economic system which they were committed under.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by ml-anon »

nradov wrote: post #172
jodrellblank wrote: post #169

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> " A dynamic economy benefits everyone " Everyone is equal, just some are more equal than others. It benefits people who are highly skilled, clever, healthy, wealthy, young, with market-desirable skills in a market-desirable area, with no external family or life problems or responsibilities, and those who own and run companies, more than 95% of everyone else. > " where I can be laid off with zero notice (and I have…

There's no need for either designated probationary periods or notice periods. Social safety nets are a good thing in general but should be provided directly by governments rather than by private employers obeying government mandates. Imposing any requirements on employers beyond basic health and safety rules slows down economic growth and hurts everyone in the long run.

lol

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by StrLght »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #17
StrLght wrote: post #5

I don't feel like I've been Komooted. There are alternative apps that I'll switch to. However, it really sucks for employees. I know a guy who joined Komoot a few weeks before the sale, and who was among 80% fired right after the sale finalised. They've been negotiating the terms of sale and hiring people simultaneously -- that's just insane.

It makes sense if you realize that there's no certainty a sale will go through and you don't want to pause all operations with the blind hope that a sale will happen Having said that, if someone just joined before the sale and is laid off, they should get a generous layoff package similar to longer term employees since they may have just quit a job to go there and are now back on the market.

Germany mandates two weeks' notice while person is on probation period, which is usually first 6 months. I haven't heard details about layoff package, but given sentiment I am not sure that it was great.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by demosito666 »

Can someone explain me this: the article is basically about the dedicated employees who now feel betrayed by the company. But why would anyone be emotionally involved with a for-profit private company that appropriates user-generated data? Outside of specific cases and normal employer-employee relationship, I can understand being dedicated to something if it contributes to a "greater good" in some form. Condition for this in this case is that user data is open (at least for private use) or the app is open.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by StrLght »

sneak wrote: post #27
StrLght wrote: post #5

I don't feel like I've been Komooted. There are alternative apps that I'll switch to. However, it really sucks for employees. I know a guy who joined Komoot a few weeks before the sale, and who was among 80% fired right after the sale finalised. They've been negotiating the terms of sale and hiring people simultaneously -- that's just insane.

Why is that insane? A job this week is no guarantee, legally or practically, of a job next week. To assume otherwise is foolish and naive. That’s simply not how employment works.

Komoot was located in Germany. Workers' rights are a bit better over here.

I agree that insane isn't exactly the right word for this. More like "assholish" -- this person has just switched jobs, and now they have to go through all this stress over again. This could have been easily avoided.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by baq »

sneak wrote: post #240
baq wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you have a family and a mortgage without first having enough savings to support those things through anomalies, you’re acting irresponsibly. Or maybe it’s the collective us acting irresponsibly because how you get young people to start families if it’s irresponsible until biologically too late?

This presupposes the value of families and reproduction, especially those by young people who can’t afford them.

Tail is wagging the dog.

It's people who make the economy; if the economy makes it so there are no new people, it crumbles under its own weight - see every developed nation in the next 20-30 years when the social security system collapses, and the economy will follow soon after.

The nihilist take here would be that nothing matters, but money is more fake than people.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by navane »

Zeebrommer wrote: post #198
navane wrote: post #109

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The users were always the real service provider. All the value is in what they tell each other through their data. All Komoot does is aggregate it, supply the infra structure. The only way to stop owners pulling the rug underneath all this community given content is by keeping the content open source. Promise the users you will do best with their data by keeping it out in the open so that if you don't, someone else w…

Is someone even trying to open source that type of content (routes, pois)?

I know of this eu effort for long distance bike routes: eurovelo.com, but it's government afaik, not open source. I don't think anyone is doing it.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

MarceColl wrote: post #207
oc1 wrote: post #199

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Boy, please share. I need something depressing to laugh about

Managed to find it again, there you go: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/arnau-ayerbe_met-brian-chesky...

Interesting:

"How fast do you want to learn?": in my experience many companies in my opinion don't want employees that learn fast, because otherwise these employees would immediately see and call out a lot of bullshit.

"Would you feel ownership on day one?": in my experience many software companies don't want employees to really feel ownership about their code, since "ownership" means that the respective employee will be willing to fight hard that his vision of this "owned" code is retained and this code won't be "tainted" by "unworthy" ideas of other colleagues.

Re: When we get Komooted

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Post by galfarragem »

smsm42 wrote: post #220
dragonwriter wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like there are good options out there Yes, there are. > USSR showed what state-controlled socialism looks like, and the picture is not pretty. A The USSR and other Leninist-derived regimes showed what one narrow set of models of authoritarian state “socialism” looks like, sure, and its not pretty just like the pure private capitalism that was generally abandoned netween the early and mid 20th century for t…

Yeah, it's always "wrong socialism" when it's built. But the next one (after the next one, after the next one, after the next one) will be the right one and will not murder millions of people, despite the previous attempts doing exactly that. Please go away already, we had enough of suffering caused by ivory-tower theoreticians unable to perceive the reality.

IMO, the most dangerous (and unique) characteristic of socialism is its immortality and capacity for reinvention. It is indestructible as a vision.
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