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Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by badgersnake »

makingstuffs wrote: post #98
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #27

Basically every new law, piece of news or media I see coming from the UK paints a picture of a beat-down, cynical & scared society that's complacent to or in support of increasing surveillance and control by the government. Like maybe Adolescence or basically any mention of the NHS. The crimes they cite like child grooming or terrorism/hate being incited sound pretty terrible too, but I wonder why the UK specifically…

In a word, division. The UK is so divided that people are too busy pointing the finger at each other to realise the root cause of the deterioration of our quality of life is entirely generations of mismanagement of the public purse. Instead of questioning how MPs are entitled to a pay rise while your average person gets made redundant, people are questioning why people fleeing persecution should ‘be paid for with my…

MPs pay is a drop in a bucket there are many better things to question than that.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by rightbyte »

grishka wrote: post #102
ethan_smith wrote: post #11

Classic Streisand effect - attempts to restrict content access inevitably lead to widespread adoption of circumvention technologies.

This is how it worked out in Russia. First, around 10 years ago, they adopted very limited laws that required ISPs to block websites. Things like drugs and suicide, with the classic rationale "won't someone please think of the children". Then piracy websites were added to that. Fast forward to now, ISPs were mandated to install black-box "ТСПУ" devices on their networks, "to protect against threats", so now Roskomnad…

> Then piracy websites were added to that.

Really? I thought it was de facto no care for piracy from the gov side. Maybe that is just how it looks from the outside.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by chrismatheson »

There are a lot of comments and thinking along the demo and gloom lines.

On the "silver lining" side, could be a eye-opener for the population of the UK, that things they take for granted cant get summarily yanked away if they don't actually do something.

And with any luck it will pull up the technical competency of every person using these services (pretty much every adult).

With any luck parents might even be forced to gain the skill their kids already live and breathe and don't think twice about.

:)

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by makingstuffs »

badgersnake wrote: post #111
makingstuffs wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a word, division. The UK is so divided that people are too busy pointing the finger at each other to realise the root cause of the deterioration of our quality of life is entirely generations of mismanagement of the public purse. Instead of questioning how MPs are entitled to a pay rise while your average person gets made redundant, people are questioning why people fleeing persecution should ‘be paid for with my…

MPs pay is a drop in a bucket there are many better things to question than that.

It’s an example, it’s not a mutually exclusive situation. The point is that people are busy pointing the finger at each other instead of the people whom are paid to actually improve their lives.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by Lio »

b800h wrote: post #68
ChrisKnott wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any examples of people being arrested for criticising a law? Most of the time these dystopian descriptions of the UK turn out to be completely overblown nonsense when you look into them properly.

I suppose the most recent example are the people from Palestine Action being arrested en masse at protests.

They're not really being arrested for criticising a law though.

They're arrested for supporting a group that's been banned for causing around £30 million's worth of damage to our national defences at a time of hightened national security.

There's the implication that Palastinian Action are going to continue attacking us.

If they just stuck to protesting they would have been fine.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by arethuza »

cs02rm0 wrote: post #106
colinb wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I left around the time of Brexit so I have no useful opinion on the recent financial/admin state of the UK, though it seems from afar that austerity has done the place no favours. But... - this kind of authoritarian nonsense is just what Home Secretaries do. David Blunkett brought in RIP (then, to his very slight credit, changed his mind). Jack 'boot' Straw was famous for his I-AM-THE-LAWing. I don't think the Tories…

- No, criticizing the NHS is not against the religion there. The newspapers are forever getting in digs about long waits, unpopular (but perfectly rational) decision from NICE about what drugs to pay for, and junior doctors and their apparent insistence on being paid properly. This is exactly what I'm saying. The NHS are seen as perfect by some. All criticism is digs that are wrong. I'm pro-NHS. But this perspective…

"The NHS are seen as perfect by some"

I've never met anyone who thinks that the NHS is perfect - least of all anyone who has used it or anyone who works there.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by eterm »

colinb wrote: post #97
cs02rm0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is becoming increasingly authoritarian in ways that feel increasingly antagonistic to the majority of the population, regardless of political party. Taxes are rising (with tax take falling), crimes are going unchecked, just mentioning increased immigration gets a lot of people's backs up, but as GDP per capita continues to stall and even fall, the pressure it puts on services is a factor for many. And we're se…

I left around the time of Brexit so I have no useful opinion on the recent financial/admin state of the UK, though it seems from afar that austerity has done the place no favours. But... - this kind of authoritarian nonsense is just what Home Secretaries do. David Blunkett brought in RIP (then, to his very slight credit, changed his mind). Jack 'boot' Straw was famous for his I-AM-THE-LAWing. I don't think the Tories…

> the biscuits are rubbish

This is why I'm pleased that for the ward I visit, biscuits and snacks are provided by a charity, it is the best of both worlds.

Not only I am not bankrupt from medical care, but I also get to enjoy decent snacks and a good coffee machine.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by modo_mario »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #95
cs02rm0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK is becoming increasingly authoritarian in ways that feel increasingly antagonistic to the majority of the population, regardless of political party. Taxes are rising (with tax take falling), crimes are going unchecked, just mentioning increased immigration gets a lot of people's backs up, but as GDP per capita continues to stall and even fall, the pressure it puts on services is a factor for many. And we're se…

> as long as those people leaving are straight, white males, or their families, they're being told "good riddance" This is totally untrue. As long as it's selfish, unpatriotic people leaving, I couldn't care less what their skin color or sexual orientation is.

Well if they are you're probably getting a greater amount of other selfish, unpatriotic people to replace them so idk if it's a net gain from your pov.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by citrin_ru »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #27

Basically every new law, piece of news or media I see coming from the UK paints a picture of a beat-down, cynical & scared society that's complacent to or in support of increasing surveillance and control by the government. Like maybe Adolescence or basically any mention of the NHS. The crimes they cite like child grooming or terrorism/hate being incited sound pretty terrible too, but I wonder why the UK specifically…

> I wonder why the UK specifically is taking action

Historically there is no formal constitution in the UK so Parliament is not limited in their power. IHMO it's the main factor why the UK is an outlier.

Re: VPN use surges in UK as new online safety rules kick in

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Post by nindalf »

password54321 wrote: post #110

Destroy cultural integrity, national identity, create a low-trust society, become more authoritarian to manage low-trust society, import more immigrants at an exponential rate while house costs rise along with unemployment. The list keeps going. This is why far-right is surging on the polls. The country has completely lost all sense.

Incredible that you’ve managed to bring this conversation to immigration. In fact, it sounds like you’re saying the root cause of this crappy policy is somehow immigrants.

Far fetched and not cool.

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