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4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by nine_zeros »

parineum wrote: post #272
nine_zeros wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cost of FedEx from NYC to LA: Cheapest price for 1 lb letter is $60.37 before taxes https://www.fedex.com/en-us/online/rating.html Cheapest price on USPS for 1 lb letter is $9.70 after taxes. https://postcalc.usps.com/Calculator/MailServices?country=0&... That is 7x for a standard 1 lb envelope. The claims are not as egregious as you think. You are not the only one shipping goods around. There is a market that USPS s…

Do you think one example proves your point?

For a specific question about a single point? Yes.

For a nuanced answer, all providers are required. USPS and FedEx both serve meaningful markets.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by Henchman21 »

nine_zeros wrote: post #194
samrus wrote: post #153

I understand wanting to make the organization more efficient, but i don't think this is what's happening here. I think this is the classic republican strat of gutting federal agencies, pointing to the inefficiencies caused by the loss of institutional knowledge, and using that as an excuse to privatize to their friends. The fact that Elon's DOGE suggested these cuts lines up

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You can't open your eyes when you work 50 hours a week, take care of kids, and are addicted to your smartphone. Wanna get people to open their eyes? Start taking data centers offline.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by Demiurge »

throw123xz wrote: post #263
Demiurge wrote: post #246

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What if half the people you know falls for it and tells you you’re missing out?

It's funny that you ask that because around 10 years ago, there was this investment stuff going around in my community. No one warned me about the dangers and those who tried to convince me to join only said good things about it, but I looked at it and it looked weird. It was a pyramid scheme. So I didn't join, didn't lose any money or lose any friendships over it. If I come here and tell you that I'm going to reduce…

Sure, kudos to you. Half the people are dumber than the other half, and thats accross the party lines. I still sympathize with all those people, even if they got outsmarted.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by geraldwhen »

nine_zeros wrote: post #262
Aurornis wrote: post #237

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> Nobody knows. But the only things guaranteed are: Ironic that you jump from “nobody knows” to statements where you’re absolutely sure that it’s worse. Your “guarantees” aren’t even consistent with the language of the authorization. They aren’t giving these services carte blanche to define their own laws and processes. They’re just allowing someone else to execute part of the process. It’s hard to have these convers…

Cost of FedEx from NYC to LA: Cheapest price for 1 lb letter is $60.37 before taxes https://www.fedex.com/en-us/online/rating.html Cheapest price on USPS for 1 lb letter is $9.70 after taxes. https://postcalc.usps.com/Calculator/MailServices?country=0&... That is 7x for a standard 1 lb envelope. The claims are not as egregious as you think. You are not the only one shipping goods around. There is a market that USPS s…

FedEx ground for 8x8x4, 1lb, $25

And you don’t even know how to use USPS. Flat rate shipping would be cheaper at that distance for USPS.

To really invent a scenario, ship to Hawaii. It’s subsidized by the USPS.

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Post by mindslight »

timeon wrote: post #191
spwa4 wrote: post #7

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Because a LOT of people have been left out of economic progress in Europe especially, and in the US. They want, even need change, and Trump came with a "believable" story for change. As in, more change than a president Harris would have delivered. Unless we get economic progress more equally spread this will get worse and worse.

Why it will get worse? They got what they voted for.

Because they're never fucking satisfied by what they've actually voted for. It's essentially the fundamentalist dynamic of blind faith, applied to the real world and making for terrible results.

The con artists they vote for are plainly not going to help their interests (and often work against them), yet they reject understanding this and instead buy into simplistic emotional propaganda that validates their frustrations and absolves their responsibility. Then after some years go by when the mess has set in and Democrats have the nominal power, the Republican media machine goes to work highlighting everything they've broken and pinning it on the current administration. Rinse and repeat.

(context: I'm a libertarian and I have many criticisms of the Democrats as well, but at least they haven't been directly sabotaging the country for the past several decades, culminating in this)

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Post by Eisenstein »

parineum wrote: post #275
Arubis wrote: post #203

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That particular playbook long predates Trump: campaign on the ineffectiveness and incompetence of government and, once elected, prove it—with ineffectiveness and incompetence. Repeat ad infinium.

CA has been a one party state minus a couple governors my entire life. You'd think the Democrats would have this place running like a well oiled machine by now.

Why would you think that? No one is saying that the Democrats are good at anything. This is not a algebra, taking something from one side doesn't get added to the other.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by AlecSchueler »

eagerpace wrote: post #125

I’m trying to think how I feel about this. I’ve been obsessed with space for a long time, remember traveling to see my first rocket launch of the shuttle in 2006. Follow the commercial development closely since then. Their science missions are inspiring, but not as inspiring as they ought to be. NASA needs an overhaul. This isn’t how I would do it, but that’s not how things work in the real world. SLS is the elephant…

> but if all this current state of uncertainty brings is a clean slate and new ways of thinking in 4 years, that’s better IMHO

Isn't the greater likelihood that delivery of service will drop as a result of the cuts and they'll point to this to justify nullifying the entire programme?

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Post by parineum »

nine_zeros wrote: post #281
parineum wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think one example proves your point?

For a specific question about a single point? Yes. For a nuanced answer, all providers are required. USPS and FedEx both serve meaningful markets.

Actually, a single point can prove you wrong but a lot of data is needed to prove you right. The reply mostly agreed with you, they said 4/5 was cheaper but 1/5 wasn't. Your statement implies 5/5 is cheaper, the other poster is the one that only needs one data point.

> USPS and FedEx both serve meaningful markets.

You from two replies ago would be shocked to hear that.

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Post by cosmicgadget »

orbisvicis wrote: post #130
eagerpace wrote: post #125

I’m trying to think how I feel about this. I’ve been obsessed with space for a long time, remember traveling to see my first rocket launch of the shuttle in 2006. Follow the commercial development closely since then. Their science missions are inspiring, but not as inspiring as they ought to be. NASA needs an overhaul. This isn’t how I would do it, but that’s not how things work in the real world. SLS is the elephant…

If only you could offer congress deferred resignations...

No one would take it since the stock (trading on proprietary info) plan is so good.

Re: 4k NASA employees opt to leave agency through deferred resignation program

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Post by cosmicgadget »

olddustytrail wrote: post #197
maxloh wrote: post #138

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I know that people wanted to stay in their own country. However, she could likely get a good position in the space industry in Europe. The bottom line is, she would be very likely to get a good salary, even better than she did in the US, in China, Russia, or India, which are desperately seeking space specialists with experience in more advanced technologies. It is a shame that the US couldn't even keep their payroll,…

Both India and China hold Most Favoured Nation status with the USA. That hardly marks them as enemies.

That's a trade status.
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