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The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
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Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#102I'm optimistic about self-hosting/self sovereignty (which both fall under the umbrella of what I call indie hosting) long term. But I think both of these articles gloss over the fact that end-to-end encryption has never been shown to work in a real system with normal people. Key management is a completely unsolved problem. If you don't have e2ee, with current tooling most people will need someone they trust to run th…
> end-to-end encryption has never been shown to work in a real system with normal people I would argue that Signal is a great example of this working quite well, and tons of normal people use Signal. It's no more frictional than WhatsApp.
Signal is a promising example, but ephemeral messaging is a very different use case from things like photo management.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#103Deeply disagree. Looking at the current selfhosted landscape and saying "nice but nobody will want to do this" is like looking around in 1970 and saying "nobody will want to own computers, you just rent them for tasks". I say this after copious amounts of invested time over a timespan of 15 years to selfhost. The software landscape changed immensely. Especially now with AI, the software output and ability to learn is…
> If you don't own your infra, you are dependent.
You're dependent regardless. You are dependent on your service provider, your hardware, your UPS battery backup, your RAID drives being easily replaced, your backups.
It reminds me of people who raise their own chickens and think they're living off the grid. But they need the materials to build the coop, the chicken feed, fencing, etc.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
how are you disagreeing? self-hosting is not being ruled out. do you think me, my siblings, our parents and children, each of us should self-host their stuff when we could perfectly well just share one machine? we are going to trust each other. but why wouldn't we. it's easier to share our photo albums this way. it's that or facebook. pretty much. and again, self-hosting is not ruled out, it's still an option. what r…
> each of us should self-host their stuff when we could perfectly well just share one machine? Actually yes. The golden rule of selfhosting is that you don't host for others. Then you are just hosting, with all the annoyance that comes with it. Also I might have different needs than my siblings, different software, settings and so on. Extreme example: police warrant for a sibling, and they take the family server away…
> The golden rule of selfhosting is that you don't host for others.
How is that the golden rule? I self host and somehow missed that. I think of it more as devolution, you can self host if you want to, or you can use a family hosted option, or a community. That way a balance can be struck between convenience and sovereignty such that as convenience naturally improves so does sovereignty. No need to let perfect be the enemy of good, is a soft gradient all the way down.
Edit: I googled the ‘golden rule of self-hosting’ and all I could find the the parents comment but that seemed to be enough for google AI summary to accept it, so stating it as fact appears to have done so in so far as Googles AI is concerned.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#105> We don’t need more “alternatives” to the cloud. We need a shift in architecture—from platform-centric to protocol-centric systems.
If the protocols are e2ee and the metadata not stored than it shouldn't matter who's server it is. But to be sure, better use something like "iroh" network protocol with hole punching.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#106I'm optimistic about self-hosting/self sovereignty (which both fall under the umbrella of what I call indie hosting) long term. But I think both of these articles gloss over the fact that end-to-end encryption has never been shown to work in a real system with normal people. Key management is a completely unsolved problem. If you don't have e2ee, with current tooling most people will need someone they trust to run th…
These are all solved problems depending on what someone is after. Tools like tailscale/headscale combined with proxmox give most people point and click self hosting close to using a digital ocean droplet (which should never be used in production).
Tailscale + Proxmox is still an order of magnitude more difficult than this is going to need to be.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Hello, Metropolitan Police here. We have a warrant to seize… docker container ab38asdf8765jk on your home server. Go ahead and export its attached volumes and the image. We’ll wait.”
Docker IDs are hexadecimal so that one is invalid. Sorry Met!
That sounds like a you problem, failure to comply will result in forfeiture and imprisonment…
I wouldn’t put it past them… capriciousness in UK policing is a feature not a bug.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have created nanotimestamps which basically allow you to embed a lot of data into blockchain itself with basically 0 gas fees. How is this possible? Is it something that EVM-based chains can support? Curious to hear more. > Regarding zk human proves, there are some zkmail Zkmail doesn’t prove that you’re a unique human. Worldcoin does, but it requires trusting a single company with everyone’s iris data, which is…
Its really complicated but I will try to sum it up. Basically nano cryptocurrency has no gas fees so if you can get even 10^-30 nano, you can technically do unlimited transactions forever (there is some caveat) You can get such nano from faucets and then you have basically an eternal source of doing transactions. What are transactions? Transactions are a way of sending money from A public key to B public key Now what…
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Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#109Deeply disagree. Looking at the current selfhosted landscape and saying "nice but nobody will want to do this" is like looking around in 1970 and saying "nobody will want to own computers, you just rent them for tasks". I say this after copious amounts of invested time over a timespan of 15 years to selfhost. The software landscape changed immensely. Especially now with AI, the software output and ability to learn is…
> "nobody will want to own computers, you just rent them for tasks" Very prescient indeed for someone in 1970 to predict the success of AWS
Until you understand how 1984 extrapolates with today's technologies - and the only defense against corrupt-captured state(s) and industrial complexes toeing the establishment line, in ever increasing consolidation of so-called power-control, is decentralized-distributed tech - and then where the centralization [especially physical infrastructure] becomes their major weakness; yes, there is the control of means of production-funnel of resources-energy issue but if shit really hits the fan than guerilla tactics appear to always reign supreme, whereby major supply lines, energy production, an CPU architecture will be first to be targeted.
The bad actors through subversion are currently attempting their best to not cause panic for the herds to react more strongly and more quickly than their apparatus they're currently ready to handle [at least that they believe they're ready to handle] - however things can fall apart very quickly, the Berlin wall fell much sooner than practically all predicted.
Re: The future is not self-hosted, but self-sovereign
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I have created nanotimestamps which basically allow you to embed a lot of data into blockchain itself with basically 0 gas fees. How is this possible? Is it something that EVM-based chains can support? Curious to hear more. > Regarding zk human proves, there are some zkmail Zkmail doesn’t prove that you’re a unique human. Worldcoin does, but it requires trusting a single company with everyone’s iris data, which is…
Its really complicated but I will try to sum it up. Basically nano cryptocurrency has no gas fees so if you can get even 10^-30 nano, you can technically do unlimited transactions forever (there is some caveat) You can get such nano from faucets and then you have basically an eternal source of doing transactions. What are transactions? Transactions are a way of sending money from A public key to B public key Now what…
Thanks for sharing this. The method of encoding data through a looping chain of transactions between vanity addresses is particularly clever. Truly a innovative idea.
Hope to see more practical applications emerge. Please keep us updated should it unfold in the future.