nothing grinds my gears more than "management wisdom" like this and people who then attribute success to small details like that. amazon could have thrived the same way had they used powerpoint, maybe even more. we will never know. also, different people communicate differently. dictating 6-pagers makes you select for people who prefer that, therefore having less diversity in thinking.
Jeff Bezos doesn't believe in PowerPoint, and his employees agree
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can you show that intelligent people think alike?
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Not evidence but a good reference to this expectation.
Re: Jeff Bezos doesn't believe in PowerPoint, and his employees agree
#75nothing grinds my gears more than "management wisdom" like this and people who then attribute success to small details like that. amazon could have thrived the same way had they used powerpoint, maybe even more. we will never know. also, different people communicate differently. dictating 6-pagers makes you select for people who prefer that, therefore having less diversity in thinking.
On the other hand having people at the beginning of the meeting to spend e.g 20 minutes reading and fully focusing on evaluating the proposal sounds really good, let's be honest. It is easier to ask good questions and provide arguments for and against if you had time to think instead of trying to do it "at fly"
And it’s not just “management wisdom”- it’s “intentional culture”.
I felt that Amazon was a little creepy and maybe even a little cultish when I first started because of the intentionality of culture. They are very intentional about many aspects of corporate culture and the internal jargon continuously reinforces that. For example, you hear references to the leadership principles all the time (every day) and people will regularly use the term “Amazonian” when describing whether actions align with the cultural norms or not. But altogether it works and was a very interesting place to have worked.
They have their own dysfunctions, but I think that the way they manage their corporate culture intentionally is a good thing.
Re: Jeff Bezos doesn't believe in PowerPoint, and his employees agree
#76nothing grinds my gears more than "management wisdom" like this and people who then attribute success to small details like that. amazon could have thrived the same way had they used powerpoint, maybe even more. we will never know. also, different people communicate differently. dictating 6-pagers makes you select for people who prefer that, therefore having less diversity in thinking.
Not hiring morons also reduces diversity in thinking
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Same for schools. We only had one teacher use the shiny new digital projector regularly and his lessons were a complete waste of time. Now it's the default lesson format, it seems. Good for teachers, as you can just recycle the same slides forever, good for admins as you can see the teacher's lessons via email, good for schools because it looks high tech, so it must be good, but on average, crap for learning. Not lea…
> you can just recycle the same slides forever, This has been true since overhead projectors were invented.
Maybe it's simply the physical act of changing the sheet, but my memory of the lessons was that they played a much smaller part in the lesson than a PowerPoint usually does in a PowerPoint lesson (and later lecture).
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"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Not evidence but a good reference to this expectation.
that sentence is silly as saying all fed families are the same, all starving of hunger are starving in their own way
Here's another version of the idea. All healthy k8s clusters are within the same healthy range, but there are many dimensions on which a cluster can be not healthy.
Re: Jeff Bezos doesn't believe in PowerPoint, and his employees agree
#79nothing grinds my gears more than "management wisdom" like this and people who then attribute success to small details like that. amazon could have thrived the same way had they used powerpoint, maybe even more. we will never know. also, different people communicate differently. dictating 6-pagers makes you select for people who prefer that, therefore having less diversity in thinking.
I'm not so sure about that. Specifically in the case of PowerPoint (or decks in general really) distilling ideas down to 4 bullet points that are 6 words each means you lose a lot of detail. People will fill those gaps with their own assumptions. That leads to a lot of confusion. Jeff isn't really anyi-powerpoint. He's pro-detail. Rather than a deck he asks people to share a doc, and has time in meetings to make sure…
If you have an excessive amount or technical details, then having everything writing down and distributed to similarly technical people is probably the better way to go.
It’s important to know your audience and what you’re trying to convey to them. Adapt as needed to best solve for that.
Re: Jeff Bezos doesn't believe in PowerPoint, and his employees agree
#80When I watch conference recordings from CCC, Defcon, Black Hat, GDC, etc., "powerpoints" (slidedecks) work just fine for me, I'm highly engaged for hours on end. Maybe it's not the format that's the issue but the content, and PPT is just being scapegoated? In a way, even most high quality YouTube content is little more than a presentation. FYI, site is down, so this is only in reaction to the title. Likely the only v…
When I was last leading a team we prepared extensively for our demos. We used PowerPoint, as everyone did, but we reviewed the deck several times as a team, moving things 1 pixel this way or that way to make sure everything was lined up perfectly. If someone was getting into the weeds, we’d pull them out. If someone was talking about what they did instead of how it related to the user, we’d redirect their focus to make sure the presentation would be meaningful to the audience. If we were handing off between people, we’d practice that so it was smooth without and fumbling or people not knowing how to share a screen. We would spread this out over 3 separate meetings with time between for people to tweak and tune their parts. We’d also be thinking about the demo at the end of the sprint during sprint planning to make sure it was something we could show, and we collected what we needed along the way to show the value.
The end result was really positive feedback from everyone and even after a year our demos were very well attended. One manager with 30 years in the company showed up to one of our demos and said it was the best presentation he had ever seen at the company. The little things really matter to give a good impression at the end of the day.
When most people make a slide deck, they are doing it as an obligation to check a box, and it sucks. In my view, if we couldn’t properly explain to our stakeholders what it is we did and why it mattered, we might as well not do anything at all. Those demos were our public image to the organization and that was how people would see and judge us. In many ways, the demos mattered more than the work itself, and needed the same care (or more). Much like people judging the cleanliness of a restaurant’s kitchen by how clean the bathrooms are, the quality and inner workings of the team are judged by the demos. Lazy PowerPoints are indicative of issues throughout the team.
My current team (I’m an individual contributor on it) has garbage presentations put together by a lazy person, and it shows. I hate it. No one really knows what we do, and someone just got laid off for failing to properly explain the value of what he was working on to leadership. Poor presentations, and direct leadership not making this a priority, cost him his job as far as I can tell. Prior to the layoffs, he was very outspoken about our lack of quality demo and tried to champion making things better, as did I to some degree, but we got zero support, and I was explicitly told not to step in and help.
So yeah, it’s not PowerPoint, it’s the people who are being tasked with making most of them and their mental framework behind what they’re doing.