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Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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It is a very encouraging step from GoI, looking at the recent slur about rampant corruption in India [http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4447605]. That said, I do feel that the task of opening the Government doesn't end at launching a portal (yet another CMS) or giving out yet another data-set.

Looking at how much impact these platforms have induced even in developed nations there seems little incentive [some advantage definitely] to pursue such an initiative in a country like India. Millions die of basic malnutrition there, and perhaps their focus should be to make food available to consume, rather than data.

Of course the data will help but aren't we missing the big picture?

It is relevant to note that incentive for active development on Gov data-sets like these (believed to improve the existing establishment) is probably not as attractive an idea as it is to disrupt the legacy itself. That's how the relationship has been between the establishment and disruptive thinkers for centuries.

I mean all this seems like a complicated play of a ton of variables - democracy, education, impact, profit, consumption, need etc. Yet no doubt the launch is certainly a positive one from the largest democracy in the world.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

#12
From: http://ogpl.gov.in/about_us

Open Government Platform (OGPL) is being developed by nodal agencies from both the countries (National Informatics Centre, Department of Electronics & IT, Government of India and Office of Citizen Services & Innovative Technologies, General Services Administration, U.S. Government). To know more about the participating organizations visit following links

National Informatics Centre (http://www.nic.in)

General Services Administration (http://data.gov)

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

#13

It is a very encouraging step from GoI, looking at the recent slur about rampant corruption in India [ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4447605 ]. That said, I do feel that the task of opening the Government doesn't end at launching a portal (yet another CMS) or giving out yet another data-set. Looking at how much impact these platforms have induced even in developed nations there seems little incentive [some adva…

Also, it is relevant to note that incentive for active development on Gov data-sets like these (believed to improve the existing establishment) is probably not as attractive an idea as it is to disrupt the legacy. That's how the relationship has been for centuries.

Actually, it is part of the GoI's "Data Sharing and Accessibility Policy" that was made law. http://www.india.gov.in/allimpfrms/alldocs/16473.pdf

Looking at how much impact these platforms have induced even in developed nations there seems little advantage [some advantage definitely] of pursuing such an initiative in a country like India. Millions die of basic malnutrition there and perhaps the focus should be to make food available to consume, rather than data.

That is an extremely uninformed statement - one of the biggest challenges for efficiency in governance is accountability. Think of the govt. as a large legacy codebase, with the QA being done only by the parliamentarians/senators. Release of data allows QA by the ordinary citizens. India has a judicial process called Public Interest Litigation [1]. Combined with public datasets, it makes for powerful governance.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-interest_litigation_%28I...

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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One of the core values of any government should be to make available all of it's data freely to all citizens available via API.

Everything being publicly auctioned and the free data available publicly will stop many of the scams of the nature India is going through right now.

I am not sure if any one would, but if someone comes up with a bill that holds the powers-that-be responsible under the "Duty to Report" bill, I would support them.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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One of the core values of any government should be to make available all of it's data freely to all citizens available via API. Everything being publicly auctioned and the free data available publicly will stop many of the scams of the nature India is going through right now. I am not sure if any one would, but if someone comes up with a bill that holds the powers-that-be responsible under the "Duty to Report" bill,…

> "make available all of it's data freely" Not "all" the data. Many datasets should not be shared. Good reasons include: a)security reasons b)ecology reasons (don't say where endangered species are) c)personal data d) current trial

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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One of the core values of any government should be to make available all of it's data freely to all citizens available via API. Everything being publicly auctioned and the free data available publicly will stop many of the scams of the nature India is going through right now. I am not sure if any one would, but if someone comes up with a bill that holds the powers-that-be responsible under the "Duty to Report" bill,…

> "make available all of it's data freely" Not "all" the data. Many datasets should not be shared. Good reasons include: a)security reasons b)ecology reasons (don't say where endangered species are) c)personal data d) current trial

IMO the rule should be: release everything unless there are strong arguments, to not release specific data sets. These arguments should be transparent and publicly discussed. Just saying "it affects public security" is not a strong argument. It should be at least said, why exactly it affects the security. However, there are good reasons, to not publish some data sets.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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It is a very encouraging step from GoI, looking at the recent slur about rampant corruption in India [ http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4447605 ]. That said, I do feel that the task of opening the Government doesn't end at launching a portal (yet another CMS) or giving out yet another data-set. Looking at how much impact these platforms have induced even in developed nations there seems little incentive [some adva…

Also, it is relevant to note that incentive for active development on Gov data-sets like these (believed to improve the existing establishment) is probably not as attractive an idea as it is to disrupt the legacy. That's how the relationship has been for centuries. Actually, it is part of the GoI's "Data Sharing and Accessibility Policy" that was made law. http://www.india.gov.in/allimpfrms/alldocs/16473.pdf Looking…

Perhaps you might want to educate me on it with some examples where there has been successful impact on the Government.

"...one of the biggest challenges for efficiency in governance is accountability" is the problem to be solved, not a proof of success of any such initiative. Your argument doesn't seem to explain how we're going to improve the legacy system or even convince the developers to use these data-sets in the first place.

To crave for improvement in the Government (and its positive ramifications) is one thing but to get job done is an altogether different ball-game.

Re: India Launches Beta Version of Its Data Site

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post #15

Why is it that contires such as india seems to be behind in the way of website design, the design is just too busy for me and the styles/colours remind me of early 2000 sites.

I really think that's a gross generalization of a billion (and change[1]) people!

[1]: The "change" is about 77% of U.S. population.

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