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Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by kelnos »

antonvs wrote: post #63
mellosouls wrote: post #49

I've only opened these comments in the hope somebody here will debunk these findings or at least point out they are dubious... :(

I mean, I'm 61, working at a smallish SaaS company that "just growed" from a startup, having fun. I write code, which is the work I enjoy most, I do architecture and explain to the kids why we're doing what we're doing. My health is fine, but I exercise regularly and eat reasonably healthy. Re my health, I kinda feel like Mad Magazine's Alfred E. Neuman: "What, me worry?" I worry more about the state of the US than I…

> As you age, if you're reasonably sane, you start letting go of the idea that you can or should live forever.

I'm (only?) 44, and I still can't quite make peace with the idea of death. I'm not really afraid of it, but I can't stand the idea that I'm going to miss out on so many cool events in the future.

I want to see us colonize our solar system, maybe learn how to travel to other stars. I want to see what a post-scarcity economy might be like, if we as humans aren't too selfish to distribute wealth fairly. I want to see where medical/biological technology takes us, whether that's human cybernetics, whole-brain uploads, immersive virtual worlds, ... hell, the cures for so many diseases could be just around the corner. Man, so many possibilities, and I'm sure I'll be gone (long gone, even) before any of them becomes reality. And it's just a huge bummer to me that I won't get to experience any of it.

But hey, who knows, maybe we'll destroy ourselves via climate change, nuclear war, genocidal AI, or whatever within my lifetime. Or we'll keep sliding toward a dystopian future where 0.0001% of people live like kings and queens, and the rest of us live in miserable conditions, constantly surveilled, oppressed at every turn.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by [deleted] »

MaxPock wrote: post #73
evo_9 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree - I’m 58 and still do the same workout I did in my 30s and 40s including 3 sets of 15 to 20 pull-ups depending on the day. I also still skate (hockey) 2 -3 times a week with a bunch of retired pros (echl, nhl, etc) and typically put up a bunch of points every skate (possibly slightly more assists now but I attribute that more toward enjoying that more these days and not needing to be so flashy)

You are reaping the benefits of having an active fitness regime in your 30s . The average 50 year old who starts exercising today will never get to your fitness level .

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Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

#103

Post by kelnos »

squidbeak wrote: post #89
deadbabe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I gather, the good news is there is a way, but the bad news is if you haven’t been keeping an active and healthy lifestyle your whole there is nothing you can do, you simply can’t cram decades worth of exercise and nutrition benefits into a few short years all at once and expect to reap benefits.

> the bad news is if you haven’t been keeping an active and healthy lifestyle your whole there is nothing you can do, you simply can’t cram decades worth of exercise and nutrition benefits into a few short years all at once and expect to reap benefits. I think this is bullshit. A poor lifestyle over decades will have consequences but there definitely are benefits to be had in taking up exercise and healthier eating w…

Sure, if you're 50 and haven't been taking care of yourself at all, starting right now is better than never starting. But there's likely going to be some ceiling you hit, a ceiling that would have been higher had you been taking better care of yourself your whole life.

> I think this is bullshit.

At the risk of being "that guy": can we keep the temperature down? That kind of reaction feels unnecessary and is the way we get people polarized about things. (Not saying I'm not guilty of this from time to time, but I'm trying to be better!)

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by deadbabe »

squidbeak wrote: post #89
deadbabe wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I gather, the good news is there is a way, but the bad news is if you haven’t been keeping an active and healthy lifestyle your whole there is nothing you can do, you simply can’t cram decades worth of exercise and nutrition benefits into a few short years all at once and expect to reap benefits.

> the bad news is if you haven’t been keeping an active and healthy lifestyle your whole there is nothing you can do, you simply can’t cram decades worth of exercise and nutrition benefits into a few short years all at once and expect to reap benefits. I think this is bullshit. A poor lifestyle over decades will have consequences but there definitely are benefits to be had in taking up exercise and healthier eating w…

Sure, and starting to save for retirement at the ripe old age of 60 is better than nothing, but you’re still fucked at that point.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

anon373839 wrote: post #100
MaxPock wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are reaping the benefits of having an active fitness regime in your 30s . The average 50 year old who starts exercising today will never get to your fitness level .

I don’t think I’m convinced of that. Most fitness measures saturate as you approach a limit. For example, you can build muscle mass rapidly in the first couple of years but it slows dramatically as you approach your genetic limit. It only takes a few years of consistent training to get to that asymptotic level. So on that measure, you can basically “catch up” to your hypothetical “always trained” self. While you migh…

Ah, interesting that explains why my gains are way slower this year, which is my third year of being consistently 5 days/week in the gym.

I do have a question: is there benefits in pushing harder if my goal is just health, or should I keep my training as is to limit injuries?

I'm 36, so not related to the article yet.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by chasd00 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #75

There was another recent study that made the front page of HN (would have to search to find it) that found two "peaks" of aging, at 44 and 60. As someone in my late 40s, I certainly identified with that. I was in fairly good shape and feel like, despite some grays and some crows feet, my body was relatively the same from my early 20s to my early 40s. 44 really did hit me like a ton of bricks though - working out got…

I’m 49 and haven’t noticed much. I’m in better shape now than in my 20s and 30s so that could be obscuring things. It does take longer to recover from an all nighter at work than it use to so there’s definitely that.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by OneMorePerson »

pinkmuffinere wrote: post #56
mellosouls wrote: post #49

I've only opened these comments in the hope somebody here will debunk these findings or at least point out they are dubious... :(

I'm 30, so maybe still too young to have a meaningful perspective, but I take comfort in the fact that I will always get to choose what I _try_ to do. I can't control my body's state, but I can insist on doing exciting / eventful stuff until my body gives in. My friend's grandma (80+ yo) just flew from Bay Area to Paris on her own, to catch up with old friends. I'm pretty sure her doctors would advise her not to do t…

It is interesting how the perspective of society can set an expectation of not doing certain things. Of course its personality and body/health dependent but I've seen 95 year olds still doing daily light farm work and totally independent until the day they passed away, or seen 75+ year olds out there on some pretty challenging hiking trails. There's no reason why an average older person can't still do a ton of things.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

#108

Post by chasd00 »

kelnos wrote: post #103
squidbeak wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the bad news is if you haven’t been keeping an active and healthy lifestyle your whole there is nothing you can do, you simply can’t cram decades worth of exercise and nutrition benefits into a few short years all at once and expect to reap benefits. I think this is bullshit. A poor lifestyle over decades will have consequences but there definitely are benefits to be had in taking up exercise and healthier eating w…

Sure, if you're 50 and haven't been taking care of yourself at all, starting right now is better than never starting. But there's likely going to be some ceiling you hit, a ceiling that would have been higher had you been taking better care of yourself your whole life. > I think this is bullshit. At the risk of being "that guy": can we keep the temperature down? That kind of reaction feels unnecessary and is the way…

What is the “ceiling” though? Sure, you’re not going to walk on to an NFL team but you will def. feel better from a more active lifestyle and healthier diet even at 50+

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

#109

Post by anal_reactor »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #75

There was another recent study that made the front page of HN (would have to search to find it) that found two "peaks" of aging, at 44 and 60. As someone in my late 40s, I certainly identified with that. I was in fairly good shape and feel like, despite some grays and some crows feet, my body was relatively the same from my early 20s to my early 40s. 44 really did hit me like a ton of bricks though - working out got…

I'm 30. I feel 70. No clue why. I take vitamin supplements, I exercise, I try to sleep, I had basic blood test. Nothing.

Re: Ageing accelerates around age 50 ― some organs faster than others

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Post by dnissley »

anal_reactor wrote: post #109
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #75

There was another recent study that made the front page of HN (would have to search to find it) that found two "peaks" of aging, at 44 and 60. As someone in my late 40s, I certainly identified with that. I was in fairly good shape and feel like, despite some grays and some crows feet, my body was relatively the same from my early 20s to my early 40s. 44 really did hit me like a ton of bricks though - working out got…

I'm 30. I feel 70. No clue why. I take vitamin supplements, I exercise, I try to sleep, I had basic blood test. Nothing.

How's your diet? Do you get plenty of vegetables? Cruciferous especially. Do you avoid fried foods? Alcohol? Caffeine? Sugar? Consuming enough high quality protein?

How's your sleep? Do you avoid eating within a couple hours of bedtime? Are you waking up to pee in the night?

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