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The future is not self-hosted

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Re: The future is not self-hosted

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For those interested in self-hosting, here's a site that maintains a collection of self-hostable services. https://selfh.st

That website lists Hugo, the static site generator. What kind of self-hostable service does Hugo provide??? Confusing info like this makes me doubt the rest of the entries on that page.

The comment you replied to said it was a site about "self-hostable services". The site doesn't claim to be just about "self-hostable services".

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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post #234

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Normies pay with money; you're paying with time and knowledge.

Nope, normies pay with sovereignty. Given the entire ecosystem (Microsoft, Apple, Google and Meta being the main ones) is trying to rob me of it, I'm happy hosting what I need and can handle admining, paying for what I need and can't handle admining, and saying no to the rest.

How is responding nope make sense? Many people don't know to build immich or ZFS etc. I do know some self-hosters losing data from just a poweroutage etc. So there are self-hosters that also cry.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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I see this claim often but bypassing DRM is an inevitability to the point where it's commonly done within hours of a new release simply for the fun of doing it. And to quote Gabe Newell (founder and owner of Valve, the company that operates Steam): > "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product…

If you have 2 options, get the product for paying a market price, and get the product for free, I think 90%+ of all humans will get it for free. The only thing stopping them is friction and consequences. I’m not as optimistic as you, that the only reason people pirate is because it’s available in their geography (why not use a VPN and buy it then). Some people will pay for stuff, I never use pirated stuff, but I’m pr…

This is provably false. I and everyone else here can get almost any book for free on library genesis right now, with less friction than making an account on Amazon and entering their credit card information. Do they? Most people I know don't.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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That website lists Hugo, the static site generator. What kind of self-hostable service does Hugo provide??? Confusing info like this makes me doubt the rest of the entries on that page.

The comment you replied to said it was a site about "self-hostable services". The site doesn't claim to be just about "self-hostable services".

How do you host Hugo? I understand that you can host a site generated by hugo, but how do you host Hugo itself?

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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I personally prefer owning my content, physical books, and having local copies. But if I’m being honest, I think this claim that if you don’t own the book you don’t have the knowledge and society will turn into digital feudalism is hyperbole. Knowledge is proliferating faster than ever, becoming more accessible than ever, and it’s easier than ever before to get the info that you’re searching for, even in this streami…

> Knowledge is proliferating faster than ever, becoming more accessible than ever, and it’s easier than ever before to get the info that you’re searching for Information is proliferating and is more accessible, but a huge amount of that information is lies and manipulation I'm not sure that really counts as knowledge. > The idea that I’m going to lose knowledge from a book I read 5 years ago if it disappears from my…

Pretty sure there were plenty of things read during the enligtenment that was not 100% true. Do you really think everything in books back then was true?

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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I am irritated that "self hosted" seems to mean "in your own house" and everyone just agrees. To me, self hosted also means I rent a machine with Hetzner and run the server software on it. Its cheap, stable, fast, secure and Hetzner wont screw me over with my data. I have a LOT less headache and I can rent a vserver for a long time until the hardware cost for a server running at home is surpassed. I can also very sim…

you are not, I consider both self hosting. I used hetzner for a long time and they were doing a great job. These days I run a server in my basement, because I had the hardware around. Most months of the year it also contributes to heating the house :D

Re: The future is not self-hosted

#388

Self-hosting isn't just about tech choices — it's about *who controls access to knowledge*. During the Enlightenment, owning a physical copy of a book meant intellectual freedom. You didn’t rent ideas; you had them. Today, most digital knowledge is hosted, locked, or streamed — *leased from platforms*, not owned. We’re in fact drifting into *digital feudalism*, where access to culture, tools, and even history depends…

At least 3 of your last 4 comments are purely GPT-generated, which isn't great for discussion here. I feel sorry for the 37 others who took the time to genuinely respond.

And no, it's not just the em-dashes.

I do this for a living, FWIW.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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I am irritated that "self hosted" seems to mean "in your own house" and everyone just agrees. To me, self hosted also means I rent a machine with Hetzner and run the server software on it. Its cheap, stable, fast, secure and Hetzner wont screw me over with my data. I have a LOT less headache and I can rent a vserver for a long time until the hardware cost for a server running at home is surpassed. I can also very sim…

Why do you claim that Hetzner won’t screw you over with your data?

What you’re doing with Hetzner is just a few less layers of abstraction compared to AWS or Azure. They can still theoretically take down the machine or steal your data, if they wanted to.

I don’t know what the correct definition of self hosted is, but there is a big ideological difference between what you’re doing and self-hosting actual, physical hardware in your home.

Re: The future is not self-hosted

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It sounds like the author never heard of a VPS? Yes it's someone else's computer but you own the contents, can switch providers any time. Personally no I would never host cloud connected stuff at home, but neither would I trust Dropbox or Kindle with my stuff. Although actually why ebooks need to be in the cloud at all I don't know - just buy somewhere that lets you download and keep them on your device/backup storag…

Yeah, I chose to ignore the VPS angle because I feel like it presents essentially the same problems as self-hosting – just on rented hardware. It didn't really serve the story. But I get that omitting this makes it confusing for more tech-savvy readers. I use a VPS with Dokploy for hosting apps, but I don't know if I'd use it to host my photo library haha Also, I'm actually working on jailbreaking my Kindle and will…

Cool, enjoy jail breaking Kindle. I live for liberating my devices, mostly old android phones and laptops that somehow have the latest updates despite being long forgotten my the companies who made them.

I still remember the iPod my wife and I bought to take our music with us while travelling, only to be told we couldn't transfer the mp3's to our laptop. Hacked that thing and never looked back!

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