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The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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the most confusing thing about this is, do people think there's just one porn site on the internet? Nobody needs a vpn, they can literally type "porn" into any search engine and land on one of fifteen million sites sitting in Russia or some random island nation

if there's one thing the internet doesn't have a shortage of it's bootleg streaming sites

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Are people still thinking a face image can be used to verify age? That's absurd. Former globally leading facial recognition developer here, and the article lightly mentions using a face image and age verification face analysis - that's not age accurate at all. Ask many ethnicities with experience, "age verification" image analysis is so unreliable it is fraud used in this context.

Can you share more about this please? I work in the industry and would love to know more about your experience with this verification method.

Well, it's not really a verification method, it's the use of age estimation models in a computer vision sense. The problem with age estimation models is they are only better in statistically unreliable ways within controlled ethnic demographics. That word salad means that age recovery trained algorithms have a variance of accuracy that is difficult to reduce, and when successful is only successful on narrow classifications of ethnicity. Part of the issue is ethnicity carries meaningful changes in age representation. Asian, African and several other ethnicity show age later and significantly more subtle than others. Now add in the existence of large demographics of mixed ethnicity, and then add in the issue of the uncontrolled illumination age verification systems are expected to operate... and age verification computer vision is rendered kind of useless. Kind of a joke. Kind of leading one to think anyone trying to sell a solution here could be dumb or a fraud. Might be some new breakthrough, but could it?

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is far right fear-mongering rhetoric. It’s the standard hatred of ethnic minorities whipped up by bigots. The UK is not on a “dark path”, that’s absolute nonsense. Nor do people live in fear. I assume you don’t actually live in the UK. Because none of your description is the UK I live in. > “People are scared of what's going on. Both criminality and religious extremism are rising at a more than alarming rate.” C…

Violent crime is way up https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in...

Not sure what statista.com is, but it’s not the Office for National Statistics, here’s violent crime:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...

There’s a note: “Trends in police recorded violence with and without injury should be interpreted with caution, as improvements to recording practices have had a substantial impact on the recording of violent crime over the last 10 years. For further information, see Section 19: Data sources and quality”

So, if your stats are a mirror of the ONS then they’re not telling a complete story.

The ONS states: “Crime against individuals and households has generally decreased over the last 10 years with some notable exceptions, such as sexual assault”

But it also states: “Trends in police recorded sexual offences should be interpreted with caution as improvements in recording practices and increased reporting by victims have contributed to increases in recent years. For further information, see Section 19: Data sources and quality.”

There’s no way the OP’s original statement holds up: “Both criminality and religious extremism are rising at a more than alarming rate”

I notice he’s now edited to “criminality and rapes” — he has an agenda. It’s utterly tiresome hearing people outside the UK trying to tell us how scared we are, when it’s complete bullshit.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Are people still thinking a face image can be used to verify age? That's absurd. Former globally leading facial recognition developer here, and the article lightly mentions using a face image and age verification face analysis - that's not age accurate at all. Ask many ethnicities with experience, "age verification" image analysis is so unreliable it is fraud used in this context.

Conversely, people in the UK have mentioned that they looked old enough to purchase age-restricted items at physical stores under an "does they look over 25?" protocol and still asked for ID to purchase them.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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As expected, bureaucrats completely out of touch with current technology producing regulations that are out of touch with current technology

They know what they doing exactly. But they now have a reason to require age and ID checks to buy VPN. Then ban payments to VPNs that don't follow said regulation. You'll see.

Mullvad is quite ahead as they sell activation codes on scratch cards.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They know what they doing exactly. But they now have a reason to require age and ID checks to buy VPN. Then ban payments to VPNs that don't follow said regulation. You'll see.

Mullvad is quite ahead as they sell activation codes on scratch cards.

Banning in-store sales of VPN activation codes seems well within the ability of the British state to do, especially when they already banned bank/credit card payments.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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According to the article, Ofcom are encouraging "parents to block or control VPN usage by their children to keep them from dodging the age checkers." This might be stupidest advice I've ever heard. If parents aren't willing to block or control access to porn sites, there's even less chance of them blocking or controlling VPN usage. But if nothing else, it does show up this law for the nonsense that it is.

Controlling VPN seems much easier, no? Since you have to pay for a VPN service, and I imagine most kids don't have a credit card to make arbitrary purchases independently, so it would have to bubble up to a parent.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Except paying the vpn requires a credit card that does the same verification check so it’s not thwarting the rule at all.

I had a debit card when I was 11 years old.

I didn't have a debit card until I went to university :P I _think_ having a card at 11 is rare, but not sure. Also maybe gen z/etc are getting cards earlier? Also not sure if parents who do get their kids cards at a young age aren't also checking their statements. Not sure if there's any data on this.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Except paying the vpn requires a credit card that does the same verification check so it’s not thwarting the rule at all.

Many, eg Mullvad, allow for crypto payments

I'm not sure most kids would jump through this many hoops. I don't know what will happen in the future, but I'm having trouble foreseeing a future where a sizeable majority of kids have cryptocurrency wallets. They'll probably just find a friend who has a VPN from parents who don't care or who don't know what it's being used for.

Re: The UK’s new age-gating rules are easy to bypass

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violent crime is way up https://www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in...

Not sure what statista.com is, but it’s not the Office for National Statistics, here’s violent crime: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand... There’s a note: “Trends in police recorded violence with and without injury should be interpreted with caution, as improvements to recording practices have had a substantial impact on the recording of violent crime over the last 10 years. For further inf…

The Statista graph is based on this ONS data, table A5a in the spreadsheet: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...
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