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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Reddit tries very hard to make you move to their app.

Facebook as well.

They responded to the criticism of people leaving their platform because the feed was all garbage and no friend updates by making a friends only feed feature you could only enable in the app.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Don’t agree, but to each their own. The native app experience for every app noted in the article is better and smoother than the mobile web version, in my opinion. Lots of people hate Electron apps, which suggests to me that my preference for native apps isn’t unique. Web apps can ask for your location or microphone the same way native apps can. Just reject it, there’s nothing that says you have to accept on either p…

Mobile apps are so limited compared to an actual web browser's interface. The reddit mobile app only lets you view one topic/conversation at a time. Same with the IMDB app; it's impossible to do any research, like comparing actors or movies, using the IMDB mobile app because the flows are all captive and there's very limited ways to navigate between the resources. With a browser, I can open up multiple sets of conten…

Mobile IMDB is not the best example -- simply navigating backwards causes a page reload, or at least a long stall and jitter as the page scrolls you around. I'd prefer an app experience (however I just use the Letterboxd app instead.)

Tabs are a big win for mobile web, I agree. I just don't think it outweighs the annoyance of navigating the app in more traditional ways.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #7

Don’t agree, but to each their own. The native app experience for every app noted in the article is better and smoother than the mobile web version, in my opinion. Lots of people hate Electron apps, which suggests to me that my preference for native apps isn’t unique. Web apps can ask for your location or microphone the same way native apps can. Just reject it, there’s nothing that says you have to accept on either p…

That's partially by design. Apple makes it a pain to make proper PWA's, and companies with websites make extremely intrusive elements to ruin the mobile website in order drive to the app. Which is easier to monetize and harder to adblock, I imagine. Some places outright disable the mobile view for the app.

More simply, I don't need an app for every website I visit. a bookmark is much more lightweight than downloading yet another app to clutter my drawer.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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In this case there is also a perceivable benefit for the user. SMS 2FA is vulnerable to sim swapping, this is not possible when TOTPs are delivered in-app. The app is also FOSS [1], so even if you're paranoid you can still inspect what data is sent. There are also just some things you cannot realistically do in the browser (or over SMS) without having to ship specialised hardware to 18 million people, like reading th…

TOTP is able to be intercepted on the device.

Yes, and that's also true for SMS messages and your passwords. That is why having MFA is important.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I understand but it’s not always with bad intentions. In the Netherlands we have a system called DigiD to login into to most government websites like your taxes and city, etc. When I contracted for the city of Amsterdam I learned they’ve been pushing hard for the DigiD app to two factor authenticate instead of text message, because of contracts Digid charges a lot per text message validation and none for app.

This could have just been TOTP.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I prefer having as few apps as possible

so using the web is my go-to

i dont have reddit, on my phone for example.

Also, all those app icons are just "advertisement" every time you look at your phone screen... i dont need that.

if you REQUIRE me to use an app, then i'm only using it if i absolutely have to. (there's almost always an alternative)

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Gotta love the HN bubble. Users want apps, not PWAs.

If Apple wanted to make PWAs look like apps, users wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Except that's not what Apple wants at all.

If apps were interchangeable with PWAs we'd just call PWAs apps. What would be the difference, besides distribution?

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I also lose the ability to keep my place in my browser when I switch to it. (Yes, in theory, I could open another browser window for it instead of another tab. In practice, Chromium will pick the wrong window to remember the tabs from when it’s restarted, so I try to stick to one window.)

It remembers all the tabs: it just doesn't open them all. Ctrl+Shift+T should bring the rest back.

> Ctrl+Shift+T should bring the rest back.

This is the shortcut for “undo close tab” on most non-macOS web browsers. Command-Shift-T for macOS, W instead of T for undo close window.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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> No, it's not for you... This is key. Companies pushing apps is not for your benefit. It's so they can further monetize you right under your nose and with your full permission by accepting their EULA. This is just a furtherance of the if you don't pay for the product you are the product.

Companies still have to provide value for them to attract users. It's cynical to only look at the value the company gets and ignoring the value users and advertisers get.

I argue that this decade shows you do not have to provide value. You capture the market yester-decade and then you can hold the users hostage as you do any and everything to appeal to shareholders and advertisers.

This is indeed a short term strategy, but tech companies right now are thinking very short term.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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post #36

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I also lose the ability to keep my place in my browser when I switch to it. (Yes, in theory, I could open another browser window for it instead of another tab. In practice, Chromium will pick the wrong window to remember the tabs from when it’s restarted, so I try to stick to one window.)

It remembers all the tabs: it just doesn't open them all. Ctrl+Shift+T should bring the rest back.

Hmm. They don't show as "recently closed tabs" in the history, but I haven't tried the key combination. I'll have to give that a try if it happens again.
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