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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#21

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#22

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.

You may want to take a look at how feminist that organization actually is.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#23

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.

The group bills themselves as feminist, but aligns with the religious right in most of their policies. They’re directly at odds with many things feminists have fought for.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#24

This is an opportunity for an entrepreneur to create a censorship-resistant platform, though, I don't know how you do it profitably when CSAM and other potentially criminal content needs to be reviewed.

Even if you manage to sidestep the issues with payment processors mentioned elsewhere, you don’t end up as a “popular platform that just happens to take a principled stance and also hosts some controversial material.”

Instead, you become the hub for that kind of material — and that reputation drives away more mainstream creators who won’t want their work associated with it. See also: Kick, Parlor, etc.

Rather than building a principled broad competitor to something like Steam, you end up cornering yourself into a narrow, highly specific market segment.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#25

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

This is being pushed by an Australian Feminist organization, not the American Religious Right.

I see Mormon(LDS) churches occasionally mentioned on these topics. The Australian cult angle had only surfaced during the last week or so.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#26
> Violence and dehumanization of women should not be acceptable outcomes of free speech. We also have to consider whose voices are being heard, and whose are being silenced. Does free speech apply to women, to survivors of rape and sexual assault? Do we have a right to object to speech that promotes and normalizes violence against us?

Every time someone insists on an escape hatch, it is immediately abused. One could have seen this coming.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#27

It is alarming for credit card companies to take on a politically censorious role that supersedes legal activity. This really kicked off in 2021 when MasterCard started imposing restrictive rules on sex sites like OnlyFans. The ACLU has a campaign against it: https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/how-mastercards-new-p...

I strongly disagree about this being a recent thing, this has been happening for decades at this point.

2015 article that starts "For nearly a decade, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase, Visa/MasterCard, and now Square, have systematically denied or closed accounts of small businesses, artists and independent contractors whose business happens to be about sex."

https://www.engadget.com/2015-12-02-paypal-square-and-big-ba...

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#28

This is an opportunity for an entrepreneur to create a censorship-resistant platform, though, I don't know how you do it profitably when CSAM and other potentially criminal content needs to be reviewed.

The major problem is the payment processors though. Unless you defeat that duopoly or only accept cash how do you stop this exact situation? There are the FedNow tokens and ACH which could help but it still requires quite a bit of cost to begin even that route. My customers are going to want to use their cards to pay too.

There's the Fair Access to Banking Act (https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/401), currently stuck in committee, which would make it illegal for various financial services, including payment processors, to deny service for mere reputational reasons.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Itch hasn't lost its marbles, they're forced to remove this content by payment processors. They're critical infrastructure, they shouldn't be allowed to arbitrate on behalf of an entire society. We need laws to require them to carry payments for any legal transaction. Paying for porn games is legal.

Nobody said anything about itch, this is about the whole payment system. You are agreeing with both of us but writing it as argument. But the lack of reading comprehension on this site is making me lose my marbles.

My apologies, my anger is at the payment processors, not at you/not meant to be combative.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#30

More caving to the ultra-religious pearl grippers who just have nothing better to do than tell others how to live. All the hate speech trash and troll talk on the Steam forums is fine though. All the war games are fine though. Make sure people can validate genocide and what not but not see titties.

It's not just mature content... there have been efforts to reduce the ability to legally purchase firearms as well as suppression of prominent social media figures. Not just the CC companies, but even the larger payment processors like Stripe/Paypal etc. are all doing it for different categories.

There is a reason you have to pay cash at dispensaries, etc.

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